Netflix's Movie "Cuties"

[robgmun]

I'm not sure what to think of this film.

On one hand it happens every day all over tiktok (this is the issue the director is trying to highlight I feel).....

I don't know, i've seen people say this a lot but i've been on tiktok all summer and while there's loads of very attractive girls dancing (mostly just swaying their hips in mini skirts really) they all look well over 18 at the youngest, i certainly haven't come across anyone as young as these girls in the movie

On the other some of the scenes I saw did make me cringe a bit.... I need to watch the film for myself to form an opinion tbh.

I'm not one of these people that operates on second hand outrage. Anyone here reasonable watched the film? TLDR your thoughts?

See my post above #153

 

[CREATIVE!11]

I don't know, i've seen people say this a lot but i've been on tiktok all summer and while there's loads of very attractive girls dancing (mostly just swaying their hips really) they all look well over 18 at the youngest, i certainly haven't come across anyone as young as these girls in the movie



See my post above #153

The biggest girl on tiktok right now is a 15 year old that dances in a bikini (Not always but sometimes). I think she has most followers.

Well she's just turned 16 recently (But a lot of her videos of from when she was under 16).

Edit: charli d'amelio feel free to youtube it

Lets face it, the people watching her are not exactly just interested in the dancing. Whilst she is older than the girls in cuties let's not pretend tiktok isn't a pedo haven. It's come under fire quite a lot for their lax moderation.

Edit2: https://youtu.be/UqvYmqdhOus?t=812

There is the video I first heard about her. You can be the judge of that clip. There are of course a lot more.

 

[BowdonUK]

The part I don't understand is its supposed to be how the main character is influenced by the culture around her. Yet she's the one pushing the boundaries.

In the dance group that she joins shes the only one posting nudes, and is thrown out of the group for doing it. She only joins the final scene when one of the other dancers can't make it.

The film seems to be pushing an agenda.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1304587833584226305

 

[robgmun]

The biggest girl on tiktok right now is a 15 year old that dances in a bikini (Not always but sometimes). I think she has most followers.

Edit: charli d'amelio feel free to youtube it

Lets face it, the people watching her are not exactly just interested in the dancing. Whilst she is older than the girls in cuties let's not pretend tiktok isn't a pedo haven.

Yeah no thanks, not just because she's underage but i don't want to add to these e-whores view count and give the spotlight of publicity

 

[Yadda]

It (TV) all went downhill after Sonia learned the trumpet.

 

[robgmun]

The part I don't understand is its supposed to be how the main character is influenced by the culture around her. Yet she's the one pushing the boundaries.

In the dance group that she joins shes the only one posting nudes, and is thrown out of the group for doing it. She only joins the final scene when one of the other dancers can't make it.

That what makes the last scene so out of place, after all that she's the one that runs off the stage thinking it's all too much to play jump rope with normal girls.

 

[CREATIVE!11]

**** me @Junglist, I'm pretty disturbed that you're trying hard to defend this trash. Have you actually sat down the movie and watch it? If you haven't then i think you'll do a complete 180 once you have.

So I decided to bite the bullet and watch the thing so that I can categorically say I know what I'm ******* talking about when it comes to this movie. I don't care to talk about how i saw it but I wasn't going to give Netflix a penny over this. Also, I didn't actually watch any trailers or clips as i usually like to go into movies blind so i don't get influenced as i consider myself a film buff and it's my main hobby. All i've seen is the poster that everyone was talking about that they pulled and the #cancellnetflix trending on Twitter.

The main summary i could give is that this is a steaming pile of excrement that deserves every print and copy of this movie to be burnt and buried deep like those ET cartridges. To systematically try to erase this from existence like Goerge Lucus did with the Star Wars Holiday Special. It's as every bit as bad as you'd imagine it to be and way worse than the impression the controversial poster hinted at. I have never given a movie 0/10 before, but i would give it to this.

It just makes you feel so bad inside that there are girls out there that can live this way and parents who don't give a **** what their pre-pubescent girls are up to who their role models are. All the girls in this movie act like trashy getto black women and you have to wonder how they learned this behavior, there's a fight scene in the middle of the movie that just reminds me of these US fight videos in getto where two fat black women lay into each other and it's the same thing here. Funnily enough, the two worst out of the group is the white girl with the blond hair and the east-asian looking one with the glasses. And the movie actually focuses a lot on the latter.

So, the main defenders of the movie say it isn't CP, I'd say it's pretty much there, but the most disturbing thing about it is this film tries to normalize girls behaving this way and that somehow rebelling against "conservative" parents is somehow a positive thing. And here we are folks, we have gone so far down the degenerate route and allow degenerates to have their way in the drip drip effect that we now have them trying to normalize trash. There's no way nonces wouldn't be able to get their rocks off from this and it's a travesty that this thing exists, I'm all for art for art's sake but there's a line and I think this film frankly crosses it and if it was banned I wouldn't blame anyone or be upset about it.

Those who try to defend this by saying it's the same as the Brittany Spears video are a joke, those who say it's no worse then girls dancing in the playground are a joke, those who say it's a commentary on sexual exploitation are a joke. 99% of the movie is 11-year-old girls fighting so that they can dance like whores and then quite literally the in the last 2 minutes the Main Character freaks out at end the final dance, runs off stage, runs home, and ghosts all the other girls without another word. If feels like it was that tacked on at the end so they can say it gives the film legitimacy, but it doesn't, it's thinly veiled and it obvious that it's glorifying this behavior.

Sorry but for anyone trying to defend this movie as art, if you haven't seen it you're being ignorant, if you have and still defend it, there's something deeply wrong with you, a bit sick and frankly suspect

Ngl this post raises some very valid points.

But hell did I laugh at some bits of it.....

"US fight videos in getto where two fat black women lay into each other and it's the same thing here" LMAO. Respect for sitting down and actually watching it then giving your 2 cents.

Edit: I actually followed some of the outrage and thought... it can't be that bad surely? I need to watch it to first have an opinion. But I kind of feel I agree with you. Once I sit down and actually watch it i'm going to do a complete 180.

 

[Nitefly]

Having now read the thread I think it’s a really interesting in the context of how people think and treat females generally.

Sub-16? Absolutely not sexualised. Clearly, this is wrong.

Over 18, absolutely sexualised to the max, all the time. Go for it, go mental. We want athletic, skinny, flirty, bubbly girls and we want them to degrade themselves, give us a **** and then to say thank you. And we want multiple of them. Now.

Actual pornography, mainstream stuff, is absolutely dire and nobody talks about the nitty gritty because nobody wants to admit they have seen the stuff. There is absolutely a huge amount of pornography that uses the idea of youth as a selling point. It’s horrendous!

So we’ll draw the line at 16/18. That’ll do. And we will protect them, very vocally, because that’s the morally right thing to do.

I just find it interesting that it’s so black and white. This film is sooo outrageous, but actual porn... nope that’s fine. They are “consenting adults” so go for it. **** mental health.

It’s also not really surprising in real life that so many young girls want to be trashy when so much of our media is telling them that is how adult women are of value.

I do feel sorry for women.

 

[Energize]

Having now read the thread I think it’s a really interesting in the context of how people think and treat females generally.

Sub-16? Absolutely not sexualised. Clearly, this is wrong.

Over 18, absolutely sexualised to the max, all the time. Go for it, go mental. We want athletic, skinny, flirty, bubbly girls and we want them to degrade themselves, give us a **** and then to say thank you. And we want multiple of them. Now.

Actual pornography, mainstream stuff, is absolutely dire and nobody talks about the nitty gritty because nobody wants to admit they have seen the stuff. There is absolutely a huge amount of pornography that uses the idea of youth as a selling point. It’s horrendous!

So we’ll draw the line at 16/18. That’ll do. And we will protect them, very vocally, because that’s the morally right thing to do.

I just find it interesting that it’s so black and white. This film is sooo outrageous, but actual porn... nope that’s fine. They are “consenting adults” so go for it. **** mental health.

It’s also not really surprising in real life that so many young girls want to be trashy when so much of our media is telling them that is how adult women are of value.

I do feel sorry for women.

I don't think it's black and white, but we need consenting adults to be free to make their own decisions I think for better or worse, mainstream stuff is a turn off for me as it's so fake, whereas homemade stuff is a different kettle of fish.

Ben Shapiro presents a pretty good critical analysis of the film, concluding that the message is actually fairly conservative and fine, but some of the scenes are exploitative and should not be in there. I tend to agree with him.

 

[jpaul]

just because she explains what was intended in the film doesn't mean it should be excused, if the majority audience see it differently.

Two weeks on from the initial backlash to the poster on Netflix and in the final days before the film’s launch on the platform, Doucouré has received many messages from people who had criticized her work, now apologizing and asking for forgiveness after researching her work and the film’s true message. And going forward, the director feels hopeful that the film’s critics might combine forces with her for the same cause. “I really hope that once the film comes out, they will watch it, and they will understand that those who were criticizing me were actually walking the same path as me.”

Sundance film PC goal

Of the 28 prizes awarded tonight to 25 films – comprising the work of 29 filmmakers – 12 (48%) were directed by one or more women; 10 (40%) were directed by one or more people of color; and 2 (8%) were directed by a person who identifies as LGBTQ+.

Wondered why the uk film censor doesn't share some responsibility https://www.bbfc.co.uk/releases/cuties-2020 .
unrelated - from their minutes (spoiler):

Finally, two clips were shown from works in which animation is more realistic and/or blended with live action. It was noted that more realistic styles of animation can challenge the Guideline test that mild violence at U should be ‘wholly’ unrealistic. A clip from Peter Rabbit features a gardener chasing rabbits, including pinning one down using gardening forks. While the feature is classified PG, the Board concluded that this particular sequence is arguably acceptable at U given its light and comic tone. By contrast, the climactic sequence from the Lion King remake is correctly classified at PG, given the relatively realistic nature of the CGI animation, the use of tense music, the scooping up and throwing of embers, and the implication - albeit offscreen - that a lion is about to be torn apart by hyenas.

 

[the shadow]

nsfw
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/1...e-children-trolls-t-shirts-child-trafficking/ ..........

 

[BowdonUK]

I don't think it's black and white, but we need consenting adults to be free to make their own decisions I think for better or worse, mainstream stuff is a turn off for me as it's so fake, whereas homemade stuff is a different kettle of fish.

Ben Shapiro presents a pretty good critical analysis of the film, concluding that the message is actually fairly conservative and fine, but some of the scenes are exploitative and should not be in there. I tend to agree with him.

I didn't think I'd agree with him, but I do. I can see now what the message is of the film. But the point he made about when films show these kinds of subjects is it encouraging it or not.

The issue is, when it comes to this subject the law says it is encouraging it. This is why the laws are much more strict on these subjects than say depicting a murder in a film.

In my view I think the message could have been made in a better way (it sounds more based on the film makers life experience/observations), and the actual film I think falls foul to some police laws.

When laws aren't properly enforced then this type of stuff becomes normalised. It could be argued this is how society as become like it is.

 

[Energize]

I didn't think I'd agree with him, but I do. I can see now what the message is of the film. But the point he made about when films show these kinds of subjects is it encouraging it or not.

Yeah, Ben Shapiro is a pretty intelligent critical thinker, conservative so we disagree on some issues, but he's good for getting an alternative perspective on things.

 

[pp111]

Did you watch the link I posted above?

No. I didn't really want to get involved. *sighs* I am sure I will agree with you if I watch it. I was just making an "in general" comment. OK I will watch it.
*watches*

Did you watch the link I posted above?

Yes. But I think it's easy to take things out of context. I would like to see the entire show before I made any judgement ( and I can't be bothered doing that, lol ). In that one clip, sure they are sexualising them, but surely no more than they do to themselves? I mean many young girls would love to do some sort of stage act like that. If the entire show was like that, yes, I would be worried, but if that is just one segment out of an otherwise bland tv show then I would not be worried at all. I don't know. Maybe it's harmful. I can't help but think that we set an example as adults and we can hardly be surprised if kids emulate that. Is it better if we tell kids they can't do what their parents do, and dress them up like two year olds? All prim and proper? Honestly, I don't know. I mean I also happen to think that parents are over-protective of kids these days. Are we just worried about the message we send to the kids with such a show? In which case why do we air similar stuff on TV every night with adults very definitely being sexual? Talk about a bad example. Are we worried that paedophiles will watch these shows? What exactly are we worried about? This is a world somewhat driven by sex. Of course the average parent doesn't want to see their kids growing up in that sort of world but the truth is they will. They will emulate their elders. Why are we surprised when they do? It strikes me that the kids are just emulating their elders and this tv show is just reflecting that. It's French after all and they have a very different attitude to the English and American parents. Don't forget the age of consent in France is lower than in the UK.

 

[Johno please?]

You ok with this filth? As gman said, anyone defending this is a sick ****

I don't care that much tbh, I wont be watching the movie. Like I said, some of the dancing clips are creepy and a bit gross but I wouldn't lose my mind over it like some people here.

 

[NVP]

I think a lot of people on here are either extremely old, detached from modern society, or cancerous faux-outragers.


If you have issue with this film based off clips of young girls dancing suggestively and exploring their sexuality I suggest that issue should be taken up with the music industry and not thrown back at the vehicle used to highlight the topic.


It must be nice, living life ignorant to the darkness of young children growing in poverty stricken, broken homes, being exploited by commercialism devoid of morals.

 

[B&W]

No, I think it's more the impact these kind of films have on young pre teens or adolescent children.

You will find many parents concerned about this.

Have you actually watched some of the dances? A 11 year old opening her legs suggestively. That's just one part.

 

[NVP]

That's the point I'm trying to make, this isn't just happening in the movie, this is happening all around us. I've seen young girls dancing this way for a long time now, so for it to finally be highlighted and then having the messenger disected instead of the message is ridiculous to me.

 

[B&W]

That's the point I'm trying to make, this isn't just happening in the movie, this is happening all around us. I've seen young girls dancing this way for a long time now, so for it to finally be highlighted and then having the messenger disected instead of the message is ridiculous to me.

Except by being on Netflix where many young children can watch it, it normalises such amoral practices.

And I think you should actually watch some clips before saying "I've seen it all before" as this **** is next level softcore porn. I don't want to write it here as it sounds so filthy the things they actually do.

 

[Nitefly]

That's the point I'm trying to make, this isn't just happening in the movie, this is happening all around us. I've seen young girls dancing this way for a long time now, so for it to finally be highlighted and then having the messenger disected instead of the message is ridiculous to me.

In my post above I was trying to make a similar point. As in, women are sexualised all over the place. Young boys aspire to be men and young girls aspire to be women. Showcase women as trash without batting an eyelid and it’s not surprising that this happens.

I don’t really have any view on the film itself, it’s just interesting that it has to get to the point of being ‘obvious harm’ for anyone to bat an eyelid, because we generally are massive gluttons for highly sexualised females.