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So AMD 5700xt was even worse then....doesnt inspire me with hope for OCT28 NAVI launch..
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But how? It is the cornerstone of how everything works. Retailers are doing the same, just that they will be fighting with suppliers for more stock to sell at inflated prices whilst they can. No one needs a 3080 right now, this instant. No one is being forced to buy one at an inflated price. There is no "moral" problem. If it was vital medicine or vital and limited food/water then yes i think it would be a moral problem. This is simply an extravagant luxury though.
Do you get upset and think it is immoral if someone was to buy an old Ferrari with a view to sell it for loads of profit in a decade?
I mean that is a nice thing to do, but it doesn't make trying to make a profit on something like a graphics card immoral.
Why blame it on the consumer? Why can't these multi-billion dollar companies just produce enough stock before putting the card on sale? The consumer craziness is only there because nVidia set up a false supply and demand. They themselves could have pushed the launch back a few weeks and then maybe we would have had a 5-minute window to buy an FE card off of their site, instead of a millisecond.
You do realise that people that have the knowledge to make scipts that put false bids on auctions also proberly could have done it with the launch of new cards right.
Seems like some people got salty when their scripts didnt beat others people scripts and now enact some sort of revenge while you all praise and cheer them on.
Awaits more bragging on how much people got for their second hand cards while getting mad at scalpers.
You do realise that people that have the knowledge to make scipts that put false bids on auctions also proberly could have done it with the launch of new cards right.
Seems like some people got salty when their scripts didnt beat others people scripts and now enact some sort of revenge while you all praise and cheer them on.
Awaits more bragging on how much people got for their second hand cards while getting mad at scalpers.
Beyond the lie (yes he should have just been honest as he isn't fooling anyone), how is it immoral? It's a graphics card...
Having said that though, some (not all) consumers are helping to feed this by getting so suckered into the hype that they lose all objectivity. Paying a significant premium on products just so that you can have it now rather than waiting (e.g. people buying from the scalpers or being willing to pay the inflated retailer prices) is encouraging these companies to maintain their practices around product launches.
Well thats where we have to disagree then. Lots of retailers didnt increase from the MSRP, lots of people didnt try and cash in on the shortage and thought they would buy 5 and sell them at a profit.
I for one would have no issue if it was illegal.
But "cashing in" on things is literally the cornerstone of how our society and capitalism works. Everyone and every company is, generally, trying to get as much money from the consumer as possible. I think it is immensely naive to think otherwise.
People are just trying to make some more money, and as it is an extravagant luxury such as this i see no moral problem with it at all.
Fine if you are happy to buy from them but because people like you accept them then they continue to exist.
Jono, I realise you are doing your best to sound knowledgeable about our capitalist society, but having regulation and restrictions is also a vital part of capitalism, and having them does not destroy the "very ethos" of it.Neither would I, if it was fairly implemented across the whole of society.
That would be impossible though as it would destroy the very ethos of free market capitalism.
The main is is that the consumer is its own worst enemy. It is very easy just to say "No i am not paying that for that luxury that i don't need. I will simply wait"
This is where you have got me wrong. I would NEVER buy from them and neither should anyone else.
They are simply preying on the "want". But then so is basically every other company.
It may not be illegal to scalp, but it IS immoral and I think the vast majority of people can agree on that.
But "cashing in" on things is literally the cornerstone of how our society and capitalism works. Everyone and every company is, generally, trying to get as much money from the consumer as possible. I think it is immensely naive to think otherwise.
People are just trying to make some more money, and as it is an extravagant luxury such as this i see no moral problem with it at all.
But I don't agree with companies increasing the price either. Good ethical ones don;t.
I'm one of them but was only considering a 3080 yesterday but if I had got through to actually check out (FE) I would probably have just gone ahead with it. If it's action replay again next week I'm not buying anything for a while, especially if the bots take over again and proven that's the case again.Agreed, I've seen a number of posters who've paid over the odds just to have a card today or because they missed out on a 3080 they're now looking to buy a 3090, that'll surely teach nVidia a lesson!