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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.
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Any news, leaks or performance guesstimates, lineup news or everything will be the painful old from yesteryear?
Caporegime
Intel have pretty much maxed out too...
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This is a mistake by AMD - because these days all news are around Nvidia and many already bought RTX 3000 series without waiting for a new CPU to finish their build, or to wait for the new Radeons to see what's new there.
Absolute disaster from AMD. Dead gnome silence
I'm hoping the 8th will give us specifications and prices for the 5000 series. Internal benchmarks, with independent test results and public availability by the end of Oct.
Anyone got a link to video of the zen 2 launch?
Soldato
Well maybe they would have bought an RTX 3080 if there was actual stock around 
Hopefully Zen3 won't suffer from supply issues assuming it lives up to the rumours?
Hopefully Zen3 won't suffer from supply issues assuming it lives up to the rumours?Meh. I see 4K gaming as the pinnacle, so looking at 1080p benchmarks feels pointless. Do you want 200fps or 205fps. Who cares? I'd rather lose some FPS at 1080p vs better overall system performance.
Was t there stock issues for the high end 3000 parts for months? I’m not holding out any hope, especially at the moment.
People with good jobs are saving hundreds every month not commuting to the office. It’s all getting spent on home improvements and consumer electronics.
People with good jobs are saving hundreds every month not commuting to the office. It’s all getting spent on home improvements and consumer electronics.
Soldato
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Although I maintain the numbering system isn't confusing in the least, I guess now is the perfect time to bring the numbering of the mobile parts closer to the desktop parts. Launching a new thousands range with Mobile in January then desktop parts middle of the year wasn't so bad, and despite the underlying arch being "behind", the Mobile APUs are still new compared to their predecessors, plus they must launch first in a new thousands range so they look forward-thinking in the eyes of OEMs; having mobile released at the end of a thousands series flips that over and look like a delayed afterthought, old tech that OEMs will feel they're then behind on, and won't invest in top-end designs and implementation. Rubbish optics if AMD is trying to break Intel's dominance in laptop and pre-build.
But with Zen 3 now launching almost an entire year behind the mobile APUs, skipping 4000 for desktop brings all product ranges into closer perceived parity. A new "Zen" launch can now be done as a solid barrage against all market sectors; server, desktop and mobile all landing en masse within a couple of months. This also preemptively solves the potential issue of desktop APUs landing on a different socket to desktop Ryzen despite being in the same thousands series.
I also get an inkling that there isn't going to be a 600 series chipset, rather instead a X570 refresh. I don't think there's anything "in" Zen 3 that warrants a new chipset, not that I can think of any new bells and whistles to drop onto the boards anyway. X570 was such a hodge podge slap together it was almost embarrassing, B550 was very late, and A520 has only just landed. With the extensive PCIe 4 reworking done in the TRX40 boards, vendors can do a better job with X570, and hopefully Asmedia have a proper PCH now so AMD don't have to use that reverse-engineered Zen 2 IO and drop the fan, if anything to stop idiots complaining about it. It is a shame though 5s across the board won't tie into AM5, but then why not just call the next socket AM6
Now watch AMD screw this up and call the Zen 3 mobile APUs 6000 series
But with Zen 3 now launching almost an entire year behind the mobile APUs, skipping 4000 for desktop brings all product ranges into closer perceived parity. A new "Zen" launch can now be done as a solid barrage against all market sectors; server, desktop and mobile all landing en masse within a couple of months. This also preemptively solves the potential issue of desktop APUs landing on a different socket to desktop Ryzen despite being in the same thousands series.
I also get an inkling that there isn't going to be a 600 series chipset, rather instead a X570 refresh. I don't think there's anything "in" Zen 3 that warrants a new chipset, not that I can think of any new bells and whistles to drop onto the boards anyway. X570 was such a hodge podge slap together it was almost embarrassing, B550 was very late, and A520 has only just landed. With the extensive PCIe 4 reworking done in the TRX40 boards, vendors can do a better job with X570, and hopefully Asmedia have a proper PCH now so AMD don't have to use that reverse-engineered Zen 2 IO and drop the fan, if anything to stop idiots complaining about it. It is a shame though 5s across the board won't tie into AM5, but then why not just call the next socket AM6
Now watch AMD screw this up and call the Zen 3 mobile APUs 6000 series
There is a need for X670 with the chipset made on the more progressive TSMC N7 node rather than the old and extremely power hungry and not appropriate GlobalFoundries' 12nm/14nm or whatever.
This will eliminate the need for active chipset cooling.
This will eliminate the need for active chipset cooling.
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Not all engines are optimized properly for the Ryzen architecture, but that shouldn't be a problem going further since Ryzen is now in consoles.
Looking at the screens attached, difference is minimal and is more of an academic type.
PS: 5700XT beating 2080 Super in BF V @ 1080p is lol worthy.
Soldato
Making a new PCH and building an entirely new chipset are not the same thing (I know the terms are interchangeable, I'm just talking about that single chip). And AMD even went as far as backporting the IO die design to 16nm for X570. There's no need to go down to 7nm just to make a PCH chip if the chip is properly designed for purpose, of which the Zen 2 IO is not.
And do you really think it's a good idea to use 7nm for a new PCH when everybody's already saying AMD are wafer constrained with Zen 2, Zen 3 and RX 6000 already in production?
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Soldato
It's much cheaper for AMD to keep using GF for the I/O dies especially with WSA still active. Also not all logic shrinks down well.
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Soldato
GF12nm wafers will be pennies at this point
Some of the GF derivative nodes are actually quite decent for certain types of chips,so it probably still makes sense for AMD to use them.
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Tragic for longevity. We've also seen the 980ti dropping behind the RX 4/58/90 so I guess WCCFTech was right after all Polaris will out perform the Maxwell flagship (eventually).
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I'm gaming on a 2700X & 5700XT PC and it doesn't let me down so I can't see why the 3000 series chips will, I've thought about grabbing a cheap 6 core 3000 series cpu to slot in to my X470 board as the 3000 is the better gaming chip but I'll likely wait & grab one from the next & last Ryzen range to support the AM4 chipset.
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