Ryzen ClockTuner

[Deleted member 66701]

Doesnt the Ryzen tuner enable hpet though? I would still manually overclock as hpet on will be a performance and latency loss. Thats why there is no more bios toggle because things like this can override the off toggles somepeople use and thus you no longer use TMC and better timers.

It also causes microstutter but that was Ryzen tools but i suspect clock tuners the same thing. This is why no one listnened to me when i said your getting motherboards now with no toggles and no way to secure against the hpet abomonation.

Had the boards of had the toggle, I would have had peice of mind but you now need to spend time checking to see if they are still doing it.

I thought disabling HPET wasn't a thing any more for recent versions of Win 10 and modern motherboards? Does Win 10 now not use hybrid timers?

I know that when I had a play around last spring that disabling HPET gave me lower FPS and stuttering in games and in particular performance in Unity, Audacity and Premiere Pro crashed through the floor.

 

[tonys]

Just tried this and it worked straight away

 

[Joxeon]

My machine ran the diagnostics ok, managed cinebench after pressing start but then rebooted itself. Ram is running AXMP 2 (3600 CL16), X570 Tomahawk and Ryzen 3600 with decent cooling. Followed the pre-setup instructions, no other changes to the system, and I set LLC to 3 as per the instuctions for MSI boards.

update - worked ok second try.

I get a message that LLC needs to be lower, however, so not sure whether to go to 4, 2 or back to auto with that

I think you ignore the LLC message as its a bug and just set what is saying for your mb.

 

[Tee Hee Johnson]

If anyone is interested, here is what it does for the diagnostic part of the configuration.

***ClockTuner for Ryzen 1.0r by 1usmus***
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-Core Processor (870F10)
Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. X570 AORUS PRO
BIOS ver. F30 SMU ver. 46.64.00
DRAM speed 3600 MHz
09/30/2020 00:27:04


AVX light mode
Cycle time: 30000 ms
Reference frequency: 4050MHz
Reference voltage: 1175 mV
Voltage step: 6 mV


Manual overclocking mode enabled
Sets overclocking parameters...
CCX1  Quality 156  Frequency 4050 MHz  Voltage 1175 mV
CCX2  Quality 145  Frequency 4050 MHz  Voltage 1175 mV
CCX3  Quality 134  Frequency 4050 MHz  Voltage 1175 mV
CCX4  Quality 122  Frequency 4050 MHz  Voltage 1175 mV

Step# 1
Diagnostic VID voltage: 1175 mV
Stress test started!  09/30/2020 00:27:30
CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 40.1?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:28:05

Step# 2
Diagnostic VID voltage: 1169 mV
Stress test started!  09/30/2020 00:28:06
CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 40.3?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:28:41

Step# 3
Diagnostic VID voltage: 1163 mV
Stress test started!  09/30/2020 00:28:41
CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 40?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:29:16

Step# 4
Diagnostic VID voltage: 1157 mV
Stress test started!  09/30/2020 00:29:17
CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 40?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:29:52

Step# 5
Diagnostic VID voltage: 1151 mV
Stress test started!  09/30/2020 00:29:52
CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 39.9?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:30:27

Step# 6
Diagnostic VID voltage: 1145 mV
Stress test started!  09/30/2020 00:30:28
CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 39.8?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:31:03

Step# 7
Diagnostic VID voltage: 1139 mV
Stress test started!  09/30/2020 00:31:03
CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 39.6?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:31:38

Step# 8
Diagnostic VID voltage: 1133 mV
Stress test started!  09/30/2020 00:31:39
CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 39.5?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:32:14

Step# 9
Diagnostic VID voltage: 1127 mV
Stress test started!  09/30/2020 00:32:14
CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 39.4?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:32:49

Step# 10
Diagnostic VID voltage: 1121 mV
Stress test started!  09/30/2020 00:32:49
CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 39.4?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:33:24

Step# 11
Diagnostic VID voltage: 1115 mV
Stress test started!  09/30/2020 00:33:25
CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 39.2?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:34:00

Step# 12
Diagnostic VID voltage: 1109 mV
Stress test started!  09/30/2020 00:34:00
CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 39?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:34:35

Step# 13
Diagnostic VID voltage: 1103 mV
Stress test started!  09/30/2020 00:34:35
CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 39.2?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:35:09

Step# 14
Diagnostic VID voltage: 1097 mV
Stress test started!  09/30/2020 00:35:10
CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 39.2?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:35:44

Step# 15
Diagnostic VID voltage: 1091 mV
Stress test started!  09/30/2020 00:35:45
CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 38.9?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:36:19

Step# 16
Diagnostic VID voltage: 1085 mV
Stress test started!  09/30/2020 00:36:20
CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 39.4?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
SOC SVI2 1.069
Thread# 25 fall down, usage 94.3%
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:36:37

Step# 17
Diagnostic VID voltage: 1091 mV


Diagnostic results:
Energy efficient: 3.71
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-Core Processor - Silver sample
Recomended values for Overclocking:
Reference frequency: 4300 MHz
Reference voltage: 1250 mV
Recomended values for Undervoolt:
Reference frequency: 4100 MHz
Reference voltage: 1150 mV
AVX Light mode
Cycle time: 240000 ms
Reference frequency: 4300 MHz
CCX delta: 175 MHz
Reference voltage: 1250 mV
Target voltage: 1250 mV

 

[Tee Hee Johnson]

Now on to the actual tuning part.

Cinebench 20 started
Cinebench 20 finished with result: 6979
Voltage: 1.266 V  PPT: 142 W  Temperature: 62.9?
Manual overclocking mode enabled

Step# 1
Sets overclocking parameters...
CCX1  Quality 156  Frequency 4375 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC+
CCX2  Quality 145  Frequency 4375 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC+
CCX3  Quality 134  Frequency 4300 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC+
CCX4  Quality 122  Frequency 4300 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC+
Stress test #1 started!  09/30/2020 00:38:49
FFT: 2048  CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 42.9?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:40:15
Stress test #2 started!  09/30/2020 00:40:15
FFT: 1344  CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 43.5?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:41:42
Stress test #3 started!  09/30/2020 00:41:42
FFT: 4096  CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 43.5?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:43:08

Step# 2
Sets overclocking parameters...
CCX1  Quality 156  Frequency 4400 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC+
CCX2  Quality 145  Frequency 4400 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC+
CCX3  Quality 134  Frequency 4325 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC+
CCX4  Quality 122  Frequency 4325 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC+
Stress test #1 started!  09/30/2020 00:43:08
FFT: 2048  CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 43.4?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
CCX3 overclocking failure detected!
Thread# 13 fall down, usage 78.4%
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:43:38

Step# 3
Sets overclocking parameters...
CCX1  Quality 156  Frequency 4400 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC+
CCX2  Quality 145  Frequency 4400 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC+
CCX3  Quality 134  Frequency 4300 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC=
CCX4  Quality 122  Frequency 4325 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC+
Stress test #1 started!  09/30/2020 00:43:39
FFT: 2048  CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 43.3?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:45:05
Stress test #2 started!  09/30/2020 00:45:06
FFT: 1344  CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 43.6?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:46:33
Stress test #3 started!  09/30/2020 00:46:33
FFT: 4096  CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 43.7?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:47:59

Step# 4
Sets overclocking parameters...
CCX1  Quality 156  Frequency 4425 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC+
CCX2  Quality 145  Frequency 4425 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC+
CCX3  Quality 134  Frequency 4300 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC=
CCX4  Quality 122  Frequency 4325 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC=
Stress test #1 started!  09/30/2020 00:47:59
FFT: 2048  CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 43.4?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:49:25
Stress test #2 started!  09/30/2020 00:49:26
FFT: 1344  CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 43.7?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:50:53
Stress test #3 started!  09/30/2020 00:50:53
FFT: 4096  CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 43.6?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:52:18

Step# 5
Sets overclocking parameters...
CCX1  Quality 156  Frequency 4450 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC+
CCX2  Quality 145  Frequency 4450 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC+
CCX3  Quality 134  Frequency 4300 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC=
CCX4  Quality 122  Frequency 4325 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC=
Stress test #1 started!  09/30/2020 00:52:19
FFT: 2048  CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 43.5?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:53:45
Stress test #2 started!  09/30/2020 00:53:45
FFT: 1344  CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 43.8?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:55:12
Stress test #3 started!  09/30/2020 00:55:12
FFT: 4096  CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 43.7?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:56:38

Step# 6
Sets overclocking parameters...
CCX1  Quality 156  Frequency 4475 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC+
CCX2  Quality 145  Frequency 4475 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC+
CCX3  Quality 134  Frequency 4300 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC=
CCX4  Quality 122  Frequency 4325 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC=
Stress test #1 started!  09/30/2020 00:56:39
FFT: 2048  CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 43.5?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:58:04
Stress test #2 started!  09/30/2020 00:58:05
FFT: 1344  CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 43.7?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 00:59:32
Stress test #3 started!  09/30/2020 00:59:32
FFT: 4096  CPU Vdroop: 0 %  CPU Temperature: 43.8?
There is a need to reduce LLC!
Stress test stopped!  09/30/2020 01:00:58

Step# 7
Sets overclocking parameters...
CCX1  Quality 156  Frequency 4450 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC+
CCX2  Quality 145  Frequency 4450 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC+
CCX3  Quality 134  Frequency 4275 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC=
CCX4  Quality 122  Frequency 4300 MHz  Voltage 1250 mV  OC=
Cinebench 20 started
Cinebench 20 finished with result: 7678
Voltage: 1.25 V  PPT: 146.7 W  Temperature: 66.1?

 

[Tee Hee Johnson]

Notes:

You can see from above that my worse CCX (by far) is number 3, -175Mhz worse than the better two.

Not a bad result from initial play, apparently default on my chip was 3980Mhz on all CCX and I got 4450Mhz on 2 CCX, 4275Mhz on one and 4300Mhz on the other.

Looking at the benchmark screen after completion, it seems to using slightly less power, 1.25v as opposed to 1.266v... so that can't be a bad thing.

Apparently my Cinebench R20 went from 6979 to 7678. BUT the 6979 seems low, I was getting 7223 (on average from 3 runs with ONLY xmp set) before I started playing with the CTR tool. Either way, its a nice gain.

With my own results (average of 3 runs) with manual playing with pbo, overclocking etc. (the settings I have been using for the past few months) and running Cinebench on a nice clean booted system. I got 7311 CB score and CTR got 7750, so a solid 6% increase and potentially using less power.

I also have the LLC bug, but it ran fine. I'm using the recommended 'Turbo' setting for Gigabyte boards.

Oh, I would say follow the guide on Guru3d, takes you step by step.

I did need to launch Ryzen Master after installation, as I had lots of 0's in the CTR tool. It recommends reinstalling in the guide, but launching it once seems to sort it. Didn't see that mentioned in the guide.

No idea how stable it is, other than doing using the CTR tool (which uses prime95 and CB20), I haven't done anything else!

Couldn't be bothered with games, so you will need to investigate that yourselves.

Apparently you can take this further from this point with some manual tweaking, but that will need to wait. Bedtime

 

[Nutty_Death]

Nice update @Tee Hee Johnson
I'm running it at the moment. During diagnostics it has said my 3700x is a gold sample, so that's exciting.

On the final page of the guide it mentions increasing your reference voltage and frequency if you want a overclock without an undervolt.

 

[Nutty_Death]

For my 3700x it finished with:
CCX1 at 4400 mhz
CCX2 at 4450 mhz
at 1275mV

CCX1 at 4450 mhz
CCX2 at 4450 mhz
at 1300mV

Interestingly Cinebench crashed before completing at 1275mV..., I stepped the voltage up to 1300mV and it ran fine, then ran the benchmark again which increased CCX1's frequency from 4400 to 4450 mhz.

My Cinebench scores:
PBO - 4810
CTR Default - 4582
CTR tuned at 1275mV - 5260
CTR tuned at 1300mV - 5300


i'll try going up and down in voltage a bit more another day.

Really cool tool and easy to use.

 

[Rofflay]

I thought disabling HPET wasn't a thing any more for recent versions of Win 10 and modern motherboards? Does Win 10 now not use hybrid timers?

I know that when I had a play around last spring that disabling HPET gave me lower FPS and stuttering in games and in particular performance in Unity, Audacity and Premiere Pro crashed through the floor.

Duno, Every other article online states the opppsite. It caused me huge latency spikes and error warnings in Latencymon and telling me the system is not now suitable for real time streaming. My latency rose by 3-4 fold and when i bios toggle it off it returns to normal. Newer processors use ITSC which is a better timer than HPET everything about HPET is legacy and performs worse thats why they use ITSC now.


But for Ryzen tools they use HPET, Thats a fact it is documented so i would want to know if clock tuner also does it. Theres an easy way to see, Run latencymon doing something windowed under heavy load 50us is good, 70us is so so and over 100us isnt acceptable when my 4770k can idle at 2-7us and under 4k loads it would never ever go over 55us. Thats what a good system performs like.

 

[Scougar]

I have NEVER had a crash with Cinebench. Downloaded it from MS... crashing at identical point. redownloaded.. restart... crash at alternative point again and again. Declocked. and restart.. working.

Urgh. Darn pc's lol. (even excessively clocking my chips many times, I have never seen a crash.).

 

[Metalface Mark]

mine runs for a bit then crashes, so ive given up.

Im on a Gigabyte X570.

 

[pandem0nium]

I'm going to give this a go later with my 3950X. I've just rebuilt around a B550 board, so haven't tuned the ram yet. So I can take ram stability out of the equation and run it at XMP for now.

I can see the used market changing and people advertising their graded CPUs.
I could also see this as an opportunity for silicone lottery style binning being accessible to the average person. So buying up stock, then selling the good samples for higher than RRP.

 

[Thekwango]

I'll let you know in a bit but my Mobo is on the supported but duff list.

I’m maybe being a bit blind but you got a link to the supported list of Mobo’s?

 

[Minstadave]

Instantly kills my system - X570 Taichi

 

[Nutty_Death]

I'm going to give this a go later with my 3950X. I've just rebuilt around a B550 board, so haven't tuned the ram yet. So I can take ram stability out of the equation and run it at XMP for now.

I can see the used market changing and people advertising their graded CPUs.
I could also see this as an opportunity for silicone lottery style binning being accessible to the average person. So buying up stock, then selling the good samples for higher than RRP.

Interesting. It would be good to get some data points for how the different grades of cpu perform.

 

[Nutty_Death]

Instantly kills my system - X570 Taichi

Have you made sure you meet all the prerequisites both from software versions to bios settings?

 

[KungFuSpaghetti]

How long does this diagnostic take to run... I started it and I'm currently at step 23 and 1043mv... just seems to keep on going

 

[Minstadave]

Have you made sure you meet all the prerequisites both from software versions to bios settings?

Nope! Where do I find this info?

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Nope! Where do I find this info?

https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/clocktuner-for-ryzen-download.html

FYI - 1usmus states ASRock boards have extremely poor LLC and not to expect much from CTR.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

How long does this diagnostic take to run... I started it and I'm currently at step 23 and 1043mv... just seems to keep on going

The longer it takes the better! Each step it drops the voltage by 6mv. If it doesn't fail, it drops it again. Lot's of steps mean you have a really good chip!