LG CX (C10) OLED 2020 Thread

jpaul · 28 Sep 2020 at 08:34

I've not seen an analysis of why sony/pan oleds are not similarly impacted, & because they don't seem to be, underlying panel tech would seem to be OK (unless son/pan panels are binned), so,
the gfx hardware remains - & since they have been able to alleviate some of these problems before, with firmware fixes,
I wonder if lg do a lot more in s/w , so don't have as much dedicated (vector) hardware/mips as sony/pan, to implement the best in class algorithms the competitors do.

Some avs comments, that folks with Atv's running external prime/netflix apps, avoid the issue, would support that.

RussZS · 28 Sep 2020 at 08:45

Gibbo said:
Yeah Plex is on HDMI but no luck with Atmos so far seems to just go to Dolby Audio or PCM.

Not sure if you sorted this out, but the movies are probably in Dolby True HD with non compressed Atmos - the Plex App won't pass this over eARC using the built in App into the TV.

The only way to get it would be say an NVIDIA Shield Pro and make a HDMI connection directly to the soundbar and play the film that way. Lossless Atmos would sound even better than the 'lossy' stuff you're hearing from the TV apps - it's compressed and carried via a Dolby Digital+ signal. The TrueHD version is uncompressed and a much higher bit rate.

Five_Star · 28 Sep 2020 at 09:00

Got it up on the wall Saturday, I am super impressed with the mounting bracket and the end finish.

From reading and viewing the horror images from other forums online I cannot begin to think what settings people tweak to get those results. Either that or some panels break very easily!

The out of the box settings are acceptable for running in and general family viewing. I actually didn't think I'd be as impressed with the upgrade from full HD plasma to this, but some of the space scenes in more recent Netflix content in ultra HD and Dolby Vision had stunning black and near black control.

LuckyBenski · 28 Sep 2020 at 10:11

jpaul said:
I've not seen an analysis of why sony/pan oleds are not similarly impacted, & because they don't seem to be, underlying panel tech would seem to be OK (unless son/pan panels are binned), so,
the gfx hardware remains - & since they have been able to alleviate some of these problems before, with firmware fixes,
I wonder if lg do a lot more in s/w , so don't have as much dedicated (vector) hardware/mips as sony/pan, to implement the best in class algorithms the competitors do.

Some avs comments, that folks with Atv's running external prime/netflix apps, avoid the issue, would support that.

Interesting angle, you are aware that LG manufactures the panels for Sony and Pana right? My assumption is that they are somewhat binned by virtue of being sold on. It'd be an extra step of quality control plus LG would probably be more stringent about not letting failures through to their direct customer.

Also Panasonic at least then engineer extra protection into their TVs such as heatsinks and possibly different drivers and panel firmware. Panasonic are very picky about this so might well be buying the panels which meet a higher standard than LG use directly.

HungryHippos · 28 Sep 2020 at 10:15

I think the belief is there that LG binned panels for their higher end models (E series+ last year) and also for the ones they sold to Sony/Pana as well.

Poneros · 28 Sep 2020 at 14:43

Five_Star said:
With my delivery tomorrow obviously the best thing to do is worry about things like this awful near black picture degradation from the CX thread over on the AVSForums
https://www.avsforum.com/threads/2020-lg-oled-cx-gx-owners-thread-faq-posts-1-6-no-price-talk.3119288/post-60121550

I've read through the whole thread here and generally everyone is happy, which I'm sure I will also be. I'd like to think the people over at AVS are nit-picking, but the images from later in their thread are appalling!

Troezar said:
Surprised at the issues with such an expensive item. Are these just early production issues or is this normal for modern OLED TV's? I'm thinking this will be my next upgrade as I can't see any competitors coming in the next come of years. Q-OLED sounds interesting but I'm expecting high prices.

Most people are just clueless or they don't care, and as LG sells more units, you have a lot more of the casual crowd talk about the good parts rather than nuanced takes on the TV's strengths/weaknesses. LG's **** near-black handling (and OLED in general really) has been known for years now. There's been some advancements but to a certain extent it's inherent to OLED.

jpaul said:
I've not seen an analysis of why sony/pan oleds are not similarly impacted, & because they don't seem to be, underlying panel tech would seem to be OK (unless son/pan panels are binned), so,
the gfx hardware remains - & since they have been able to alleviate some of these problems before, with firmware fixes,
I wonder if lg do a lot more in s/w , so don't have as much dedicated (vector) hardware/mips as sony/pan, to implement the best in class algorithms the competitors do.

Some avs comments, that folks with Atv's running external prime/netflix apps, avoid the issue, would support that.

Sony & Panasonic buyers are generally more demanding & discerning, so those 2 have put more effort into alleviating the issue, but it wasn't always perfect with them either, and isn't now, but it's managed much, much better.

darkgen · 1 Oct 2020 at 08:04

CX has just dropped to 2300 queenheads! On the cusp of ordering from JL!

e: and ordered;you get a pair of LG TONE Free HBS wireless headphones too! Bonus.

Five_Star · 1 Oct 2020 at 08:59

I noticed the price drop with JL too

With price match after the sale is it a one time thing or can you match multiple times in the 28 day period?

Junglist · 1 Oct 2020 at 09:02

Hoping the price stays this way for a few weeks as hoping to get one as soon as we get the keys to the house.

Will be getting it either way but would rather save the extra £300!

DarkLordStevoII · 1 Oct 2020 at 11:08

I brought a 65 CX from JL last week! Can i call them and get the difference, bloody typical!?

HungryHippos · 1 Oct 2020 at 11:20

DarkLordStevoII said:
I brought a 65 CX from JL last week! Can i call them and get the difference, bloody typical!?

Issue a price match online on their form and put your order number in as an existing order.

They should then refund you the difference.

Trifid · 1 Oct 2020 at 11:23

I bit the bullet yesterday and collected the 55" from JL yesterday. 4k HDR content looks amazing on it. I think I need to do some work on the settings through my original 1080p Xbox as the colours and black crush are a little disappointing, but this would be resolved with the Xbox SX that I have on preorder.

Need to get a 3 pin socket behind my TV as it doesn't use a figure of 8 cable like my last one.

DarkLordStevoII · 1 Oct 2020 at 16:07

HungryHippos said:
Issue a price match online on their form and put your order number in as an existing order.

They should then refund you the difference.

Many Thanks, i had to call as i brought it instore, but that's £200 on its way back! You cant knock JL.

HungryHippos · 1 Oct 2020 at 16:09

DarkLordStevoII said:
Many Thanks, i had to call as i brought it instore, but that's £200 on its way back! You cant knock JL.

No problem I'll take my 10% helper cut now!

Vinno · 2 Oct 2020 at 07:57

Five_Star said:
With my delivery tomorrow obviously the best thing to do is worry about things like this awful near black picture degradation from the CX thread over on the AVSForums
https://www.avsforum.com/threads/2020-lg-oled-cx-gx-owners-thread-faq-posts-1-6-no-price-talk.3119288/post-60121550

I've read through the whole thread here and generally everyone is happy, which I'm sure I will also be. I'd like to think the people over at AVS are nit-picking, but the images from later in their thread are appalling!

Well reading that has made me mega paranoid about buying one of these now lol.

darkgen · 2 Oct 2020 at 11:10

Well pants; with my purchase of a cx incoming, I've just realised my existing Yamaha YSP-2500 soundbar isn't going to cut it on the hdmi 20.a / HDCP 2.2 front! Anyone got any recommendations? I'm only ever going to plug a PS4/5 and run audio output from the TV.

e: ok so out of the game with this. Seems like you now plug everything into the TV and that outputs all connected devices to the soundbar.

eyeing up the Sonos Arc ..

200sols · 2 Oct 2020 at 11:22

darkgen said:
Well pants; with my purchase of a cx incoming, I've just realised my existing Yamaha YSP-2500 soundbar isn't going to cut it on the hdmi 20.a / HDCP 2.2 front! Anyone got any recommendations? I'm only ever going to plug a PS4/5 and run audio output from the TV.

e: ok so out of the game with this. Seems like you now plug everything into the TV and that outputs all connected devices to the soundbar.

eyeing up the Sonos Arc ..

Just plug the PS4 directly into the soundbar.

You can connect everything to the TV with eARC but it isnt a requirment.

darkgen · 2 Oct 2020 at 11:32

200sols said:
Just plug the PS4 directly into the soundbar.

You can connect everything to the TV with eARC but it isnt a requirment.

This assumes the soundbar has more than 1 hdmi? The Sonos Beam and Arc do not. My existing soundbar (2500) doesn't support 4k or hdr it seems, so I need to upgrade. I'm just not sure what to or what is best with the cx; hence reaching out for recommendations / comment.

hornetstinger · 2 Oct 2020 at 17:21

Poneros said:
Most people are just clueless or they don't care, and as LG sells more units, you have a lot more of the casual crowd talk about the good parts rather than nuanced takes on the TV's strengths/weaknesses. LG's **** near-black handling (and OLED in general really) has been known for years now. There's been some advancements but to a certain extent it's inherent to OLED.

Sony & Panasonic buyers are generally more demanding & discerning, so those 2 have put more effort into alleviating the issue, but it wasn't always perfect with them either, and isn't now, but it's managed much, much better.

I guess full ISF calibration will improve black handling? I do find shadow detail could be better on my c9, it's like the scene is lit by 40w bulbs

Junglist · 3 Oct 2020 at 09:28

darkgen said:
This assumes the soundbar has more than 1 hdmi? The Sonos Beam and Arc do not. My existing soundbar (2500) doesn't support 4k or hdr it seems, so I need to upgrade. I'm just not sure what to or what is best with the cx; hence reaching out for recommendations / comment.

Interested to see what you do as was planning on getting the CX with the Beam but didn't think of this problem!