When are you going fully electric?

jpaul · 3 Oct 2020 at 11:50

EU/france has a 1 charger for 10 cars goal; to ensure that is maintained, for subsidies availible for chargers, and even electricity infrastructure that can be allocated, they will demand some interoperability, so the market will ultimately decide on charger type deployed
https://www.lemonde.fr/economie/art...t-encore-se-parer-de-bornes_6035979_3234.html

Journey · 3 Oct 2020 at 13:01

Pretty sure the actual goal should be all cars using the same connector for DC, as has happened with Type2 AC. The second factor will be ensuring V2G/V2H is standardised across all vehicles coming to market, but that is currently a minefield sadly.

Joe T · 4 Oct 2020 at 10:14

With further evidence that the electric car is going / has gone mainstream, one has just won The Sun Car of the Year 2020. https://t.co/dS4SRPXSdN

Nasher · 4 Oct 2020 at 10:24

Wow...The Sun. That global authority on cars

sovietspybob · 4 Oct 2020 at 10:26

But it is quite telling that something like the Sun is embracing EV's, they very much represent the slightly knuckle dragging side of the 'everyman' so that does imply they're becoming far more mainstream.

Joe T · 4 Oct 2020 at 10:28

Nasher said:
Wow...The Sun. That global authority on cars

You may not have read my post correctly.

Joe T · 4 Oct 2020 at 10:29

sovietspybob said:
But it is quite telling that something like the Sun is embracing EV's, they very much represent the slightly knuckle dragging side of the 'everyman' so that does imply they're becoming far more mainstream.

Exactly.

Jonnycoupe · 4 Oct 2020 at 12:21

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-geneva-motor-show/jaguar-i-pace-wins-2019-car-year

booyaka · 4 Oct 2020 at 16:55

Jonnycoupe said:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-geneva-motor-show/jaguar-i-pace-wins-2019-car-year

What a horredous line up in the top 5

The I-Pace and A110 both received 250 votes. The Kia Ceed finished a close third in the results, receiving 247 votes. The Ford Focus was fourth (235 votes). The other finalists were the Citroën C5 Aircross, Mercedes-Benz A-Class and Peugeot 508.

Such a random set of cars to choose from...

[TW]Fox · 4 Oct 2020 at 17:02

Jonnycoupe said:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-geneva-motor-show/jaguar-i-pace-wins-2019-car-year

What an accolade - going down in history with other fine winners of this most esteemed prize, such as..

Fiat Bravo/Brava
Renault Megane Scenic
Peugeot 307
Fiat Panda (Just pipped the 2004 Mazda3 to the post, a shame as the Mazda3 was later the recipient of the even more prestigious 'most horrendous pile of crap Fox accidently helped a family member buy' award)
Volkswagen Polo
Peugeot 308 (They really love the post 306 era hatchbacks don't they? A pity nobody else does)
Peugeot 3008 (I can see why this soundly beat the Mercedes E Class and the new Volvo S90 to the post)

And lets not forget - this years winner! The Peugeot 208. It saw off obviously not good enough competition from junk like the Porsche Taycan.

What an award!

Praetorian · 4 Oct 2020 at 18:22

Finally went full electric yesterday by purchasing a Kia e-Niro 4+. Took a 4 (now end of life) out on a test drive, in this horrid weather, and the thing was simply a joy to drive. Held the road well, comfy to be on the inside, acceleration was crazy (first time ever driving an "e" car) and it totally sold me. Sadly that puts my Kia Ceed GT back to the dealer which is a shame as I've loved both of them (PCP).

Don't get to pick it up until January, as it's a brand new model, but excited to get it. Also need to get the PodPoint installed (£400 all in after the dealer discount) which isn't a bad thing.

Specs

- NEW: 11kW Charger (3-Phase)
- NEW: LED Headlights with Bi-Function Projection
- NEW: Telematics System with UVO Connect Services**
- NEW: Front and Rear Parking Sensors ***
- 282 Miles Electric Range
- 10.25" Touchscreen Satellite Navigation with European Mapping
- 8-speaker JBL® Premium Sound System
- Heated Front & Outer Rear Seats
- Ventilated Seats
- Blind Spot Detection (BSD) with Rear Cross Traffic Alert (RCTA)

Nasher · 4 Oct 2020 at 18:25

booyaka said:
What a horredous line up in the top 5

Such a random set of cars to choose from...

Yea wtf lol, these aren't even comparable at all. Some electric SUV, the Alpine, then Grandad's car.

Russinating · 4 Oct 2020 at 18:42

Congrats @Praetorian. What's the 11kW spec about?

Journey · 4 Oct 2020 at 18:43

Russinating said:
Congrats @Praetorian. What's the 11kW spec about?

They upgraded the in car charger for the Type 2, from 7 to 11.

Jonnycoupe · 4 Oct 2020 at 18:43

[TW]Fox said:
What an accolade - going down in history with other fine winners of this most esteemed prize, such as..

Fiat Bravo/Brava
Renault Megane Scenic
Peugeot 307
Fiat Panda (Just pipped the 2004 Mazda3 to the post, a shame as the Mazda3 was later the recipient of the even more prestigious 'most horrendous pile of crap Fox accidently helped a family member buy' award)
Volkswagen Polo
Peugeot 308 (They really love the post 306 era hatchbacks don't they? A pity nobody else does)
Peugeot 3008 (I can see why this soundly beat the Mercedes E Class and the new Volvo S90 to the post)

And lets not forget - this years winner! The Peugeot 208. It saw off obviously not good enough competition from junk like the Porsche Taycan.

What an award!

keep it on the dartboard Fox. It was in jest to someone quoting the Sun award as some sort od kick start to the EVs - that was LAST years awards.

...however you have presented a wonderful opportunity for ME to highlight to YOU that none of those cars above were EVs and nor was the Taycan entered for the award - so like WTF.

Can’t leave you with feeling a hint of an authority on award credibility though. I’m sure I’ve got some better ones if you want?

How about the treble?
https://www.jaguar.co.uk/news/world-car-of-the-year-2019.html

The all-electric Jaguar I-PACE has completed an historic treble at the 2019 World Car Awards. Not only has it won the coveted 2019 World Car of the Year and World Car Design of the Year titles – equalling the success of the F-PACE in 2017 – it has also been named World Green Car.

I-PACE is the first model ever to win three World Car titles in the 15-year history of the awards.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/jaguar-i-pace-world-car-year?amp

Not quite so cunning today

what worse is the fact we’ve woke Nasher up again.

Journey said:
They upgraded the in car charger for the Type 2, from 7 to 11.

personal opinion is that pretty much irrelevant for the UK. 3 phase charging is limited.

[TW]Fox · 4 Oct 2020 at 18:52

Jonnycoupe said:
nor was the Taycan entered for the award - so like WTF.

How did it come 2nd if it wasn't entered?

I think its an electric car as well, last time I checked.

Jonnycoupe · 4 Oct 2020 at 18:56

[TW]Fox said:
How did it come 2nd if it wasn't entered?

I think its an electric car as well, last time I checked.

Very cute quoting there.

I don’t pay attention to this sort of awards Fox as you as one of the inner circle know. So it did beat it now? Cos you said earlier it didn’t. Make your mind up

EDIT: you know I’m back referencing to the 2019 award yeah? Cos like it’s appropriate to the context of that Sun comment in this thread.

let’s be honest. Cost would have been a likely factor.

Praetorian · 4 Oct 2020 at 19:05

Russinating said:
Congrats @Praetorian. What's the 11kW spec about?

Journey said:
They upgraded the in car charger for the Type 2, from 7 to 11.

Cheers

Pretty much as @Journey said, it's a change in charger so it should support faster charging but as we're limited to 3 phase in the UK, it's no real difference. A quick google shows 7kwh Time to charge 30kWh is around 4 hours with 11kwh time to charge being 2hrs 45minutes.

I'm not an expert though, so don't take my word for it

Jonnycoupe · 4 Oct 2020 at 19:09

It’s a nice upgrade as tends to integrate all the parts into one. They are great the Hyundai products, I know Jonny Smith loves his Kia Soul with the running gear. My lads football coach has an Ioniq at mo and he likes it too. Very efficient.

Russinating · 4 Oct 2020 at 19:29

Praetorian said:
Cheers Pretty much as @Journey said, it's a change in charger so it should support faster charging but as we're limited to 3 phase in the UK, it's no real difference. A quick google shows 7kwh Time to charge 30kWh is around 4 hours with 11kwh time to charge being 2hrs 45minutes.

I'm not an expert though, so don't take my word for it

Gotcha, as in it's max charge speed is 11kW? I thought it was maybe to do with an included charger with the mention of 3 phase. I've got a Tesla so I never think of charging being limited but if you're only doing short-mid range journeys or commutes I guess it doesn't make any difference.