AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

Alexrose1uk · 4 Oct 2020 at 17:22

The 10900K IS a good CPU, Intel still make good parts; the issue with them is cost (and to a lesser degree, security and the performance hits patching it), on what is now a node stretched about as far as it can go.

Intel have some excellent engineers, it just gets lost under all the 'corporation' and marketing at times, and some of the bad faith moves those departments get involved in (which are nothing to do with engineering).

Waiting for Zen 3 however sounds by far the smartest choice right now, it's sounding like they will be monsters, and the Zen 3000 series were already causing Intel to sweat.

Journey · 4 Oct 2020 at 17:24

ChrisD. said:
Haha. 10900k even. I’m going to cancel the order.

That is the correct choice.

Oh btw, might know someone interested in your TR gear, I'll be speaking with him tomorrow.

ChrisD. · 4 Oct 2020 at 18:03

Journey said:
That is the correct choice.

Oh btw, might know someone interested in your TR gear, I'll be speaking with him tomorrow.

Keep me posted.

Journey · 4 Oct 2020 at 18:06

ChrisD. said:
Keep me posted.

Will certainly do so, I'll post in your FS thread if they aren't sorted!

Dave2150 · 4 Oct 2020 at 18:06

Need a new CPU/motherboard to go with my Strix 3090 OC, when it eventually shows up (158 in queue). It will either be Zen3, or Rocketlake, whichever is fastest in singlethread/gaming. Rooting for Zen, hopefully there'll be no UEFI issues with RAM/booting/nvme drives etc.

X670 boards will be the best for Zen3 if I recall? Hopefully these come without a chipset fan.

Absolutely Clueless · 4 Oct 2020 at 18:12

ChrisD. said:
Haha. 10900k even. I’m going to cancel the order.

Good idea I think. We will know soon how good Zen 3 is. I hope the rumoured benchmarks are true, and they rival the 10900k.

LePhuronn · 4 Oct 2020 at 18:13

Dave2150 said:
X670 boards will be the best for Zen3 if I recall?

As of right now there is no 600 series chipset. There could be something announced on the 8th. I'm half expecting a refresh (X590 for argument's sake) because the X570 was such a thrown together hodge-podge, but until then X570 is still the top.

To be honest though, B550 isn't a bad shout. You got PCIe 4 on your primary 16x slot (and can split to a pair of 8x if you wish) and a PCIe4 SSD slot tied directly to the CPU. So unless you want multiple PCIe 4 SSDs in RAID you don't really need anything more than B550.

ChrisD. · 4 Oct 2020 at 18:18

Absolutely Clueless said:
Good idea I think. We will know soon how good Zen 3 is. I hope the rumoured benchmarks are true, and they rival the 10900k.

One of the reasons I dislike my TR build is because of the chipset fan noise, it’s hideous. Is it going to be the same with Zen 3?

Journey · 4 Oct 2020 at 18:20

ChrisD. said:
One of the reasons I dislike my TR build is because of the chipset fan noise, it’s hideous. Is it going to be the same with Zen 3?

I'd buy B550 not X570 personally, unless you need loads of extras on the board. You can get the Asus B550-F ROG Strix Gaming for £150 which is a good board for the price.

ChrisD. · 4 Oct 2020 at 18:23

Journey said:
I'd buy B550 not X570 personally, unless you need loads of extras on the board. You can get the Asus B550-F ROG Strix Gaming for £150 which is a good board for the price.

Not going to use an Asus board again, not a fan if I’m honest.

Journey · 4 Oct 2020 at 18:25

ChrisD. said:
Not going to use an Asus board again, not a fan if I’m honest.

Well the Gigabyte Aorus Pro is also nice, and the MSI Gaming Edge Wi-Fi, they are all more than you'll need to run even the 16c/32t CPU.

Dave2150 · 4 Oct 2020 at 18:44

LePhuronn said:
As of right now there is no 600 series chipset. There could be something announced on the 8th. I'm half expecting a refresh (X590 for argument's sake) because the X570 was such a thrown together hodge-podge, but until then X570 is still the top.

To be honest though, B550 isn't a bad shout. You got PCIe 4 on your primary 16x slot (and can split to a pair of 8x if you wish) and a PCIe4 SSD slot tied directly to the CPU. So unless you want multiple PCIe 4 SSDs in RAID you don't really need anything more than B550.

I believe it's all but confirmed that the x670 will launch alongside the Zen 3 (Ryzen 5000 series?) CPU's on desktop. I'm hoping it's got updated chipset silicon that enables easy passive operation, by reducing the power consumption of the chipset, as well as improved memory compatibility and general Zen3 optimizations.

Wouldn't be surprised if Intel launch another lGA1200 chipset too, one that will be fully PCIEv4 certified, as well as fixing the 2.5Gbe hardware issue on Z490 boards.

Whichever is faster, I just hope there's good availability!

pc-guy · 4 Oct 2020 at 19:07

Dave2150 said:
I believe it's all but confirmed that the x670 will launch alongside the Zen 3 (Ryzen 5000 series?) CPU's on desktop. I'm hoping it's got updated chipset silicon that enables easy passive operation, by reducing the power consumption of the chipset, as well as improved memory compatibility and general Zen3 optimizations.

Wouldn't be surprised if Intel launch another lGA1200 chipset too, one that will be fully PCIEv4 certified, as well as fixing the 2.5Gbe hardware issue on Z490 boards.

Whichever is faster, I just hope there's good availability!

Where did you get that info about x670? Would be interested in a quick read.

Journey · 4 Oct 2020 at 19:21

I am pretty much certainly that the x990 chipset will be launching with these new Zen3 parts, as I just made that up on the spot, so it must be true.

Richdog · 4 Oct 2020 at 19:23

pc-guy said:
Where did you get that info about x670? Would be interested in a quick read.

I don't think it's "all but confirmed" at all. From what I've read on the usualnews sites it likely won't launch with Zen3 and will arrive later in 2020/2021.

cHk4 · 4 Oct 2020 at 19:27

I’m really excited to see what zen 3 brings. I’ve been intel for years, I desperately need a new build as my 7700k is showing its age with my 3090. I am hoping it performs well as I really need to upgrade in the next few months and it’s either a zen 3 or a 10900k.

Dave2150 · 4 Oct 2020 at 19:27

pc-guy said:
Where did you get that info about x670? Would be interested in a quick read.

Just from google. It's all rumour mill at the moment, same as Zen3. Guessing they'll be launched together - as the last AM4 flagship board. Rumours mention USB4 as well, would be a nice addition.

Richdog · 4 Oct 2020 at 19:28

Dave2150 said:
Just from google. It's all rumour mill at the moment, same as Zen3. Guessing they'll be launched together - as the last AM4 flagship board. Rumours mention USB4 as well, would be a nice addition.

"Just from Google"... LOL.

Dave2150 · 4 Oct 2020 at 19:29

cHk4 said:
I’m really excited to see what zen 3 brings. I’ve been intel for years, I desperately need a new build as my 7700k is showing its age with my 3090. I am hoping it performs well as I really need to upgrade in the next few months and it’s either a zen 3 or a 10900k.

I'm in a similar boat, my 6700k won't get the most from the 3090, even at 4k! Remember there'll be a 11900k as well, Rocketlake, which is rumoured to have up to 30% IPC (15% from icelake, 15% from rocket lake), though meant to be very power hungry as it's still on 14nm.

Looking forward to official benchmarks from both, may the best CPU win!

pc-guy · 4 Oct 2020 at 19:58

Richdog said:
I don't think it's "all but confirmed" at all. From what I've read on the usualnews sites it likely won't launch with Zen3 and will arrive later in 2020/2021.

Ya if there is a new chipset then for sure next year. But I can’t see it tbh. They will be looking to put money & time into AM5 surely.

also if the next chipset is X670 what are they gonna do with B and A series. Kinda messy. Although if they do bring a chipset out I wouldn’t be surprised if they call it X590 or something. From what I can gather from the rumour mills, if this new chipset exists, they just gonna address the chipset fan issue. So no gain in features or new tech.