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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

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Performance increase:
Ryzen 7 1800X + 10% = Ryzen 7 2700X
Ryzen 7 2700X + 25% = Ryzen 7 3800X
Ryzen 7 3800X + 15% = Ryzen 7 5800X

Benchmarks: CB R20 Multi-
https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu-amd_ryzen_7_1800x-705
https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu-amd_ryzen_7_2700x-876
https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu-amd_ryzen_7_3800x-930
https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu-amd_ryzen_7_5800x-1747

single core score 3800x to 5800x is 24%. But when you equalise the clocks the it is 18% which is the true IPC gain. Although I dunno if the 3800x can hit 4.7GHz ever.

So there is something

the score scales linearly with clock speed ie 5600 is 4.6Ghz and 5900 is 4.8Ghz therefore 5900 scores 4% higher. If rumour of 5GHz+ chips are true AMD may well have some additional headroom or aces up the sleeves to counter whatever intel can grow at it.
 
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single core score 3800x to 5800x is 24%. But when you equalise the clocks the it is 18% which is the true IPC gain. Although I dunno if the 3800x can hit 4.7GHz ever.

So there is something

the score scales linearly with clock speed ie 5600 is 4.6Ghz and 5900 is 4.8Ghz therefore 5900 scores 4% higher. If rumour of 5GHz+ chips are true AMD may well have some additional headroom or aces up the sleeves to counter whatever intel can grow at it.

Ryzen 9 5900X at 4.8 GHz one core boost vs Core i7-1185G7 at 4.8 GHz one core boost is 5% higher performance - 629 / 598.
https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu-amd_ryzen_9_5900x-1748

Rocket Lake with most certainly regain the lead.

 
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Ryzen 5000 has really destroyed Intel in IPC hasn't it. It's higher than Intel's 10nm Tiger Lake even.

By the time Tiger Lake comes to desktop (late 2022?), AMD will be massively ahead with 5nm Ryzen 6000 next year.
I very much doubt AMD will release the next gen next year. Anything beyond a simple refresh anyhow.

It's almost never within 12 months. It's normally more like 15+ months per proper gen.

If Zen4 was released next year that would be something of a record (Zen3 would be one of the shortest-lived generations in recent memory).
 
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Ryzen 9 5900X at 4.8 GHz one core boost vs Core i7-1185G7 at 4.8 GHz one core boost is 5% higher performance - 629 / 598.
https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu-amd_ryzen_9_5900x-1748

Rocket Lake with most certainly regain the lead.


Very unlikely. You're projecting Rocket Lake single core off a 10nm CPU. Rocket Lake is 14nm yet again, a last throw of the dice of that old and terribly inefficient node.

There's a small chance it could re-take the lead, but will only manage it while drawing 50% more watts :)
In any case you'll be waiting half a year for Rocket Lake, by which time AMD might even release XT versions of Ryzen 5000 that are even further ahead of Intel's power hungry chips.
 
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Ryzen 5000 has really destroyed Intel in IPC hasn't it. It's higher than Intel's 10nm Tiger Lake even.

By the time Tiger Lake comes to desktop (late 2022?), AMD will be massively ahead with 5nm Ryzen 6000 next year.

Tiger Lake and Rocket Lake will be based on Willow Cove or Cypress Cove cores which means that what you see in Core i7-1185G7 will be multiplied in a desktop version the coming March 2021.
2022 will be the generation after Alder Lake - totally new architecture with BIG.little configuration, developed by Keller and most likely on Intel's true 7nm.

AMD has no 5nm process - it's a marketing lie for N5-class process.

AMD's Raphael with Zen 4 cores and Navi iGPU will be 2022.
 
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If Zen4 was released next year that would be something of a record

They've already committed to Zen4 in 2021, I'd strongly suspect you'll only see EPYC parts though as that is the primary concern to keep momentum up increasing the DC market share and hitting their supercomputer partnership deadlines.
 
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Tiger Lake and Rocket Lake will be based on Willow Cove or Cypress Cove cores which means that what you see in Core i7-1185G7 will be multiplied in a desktop version the coming March 2021.
2022 will be the generation after Alder Lake - totally new architecture with BIG.little configuration, developed by Keller and most likely on Intel's true 7nm.

AMD has no 5nm process - it's a marketing lie for N5-class process.

AMD's Raphael with Zen 4 cores and Navi iGPU will be 2022.

It's hilarious you actually believe intel will deliver their roadmap... They haven't been so hot on that of late.
 
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If AMD manage to make the boost frequency able to hit all core, that would be it... doesn't look like that will happen though.
I'm expecting an all core boost similar to what the XT CPUs can do so maybe a 4500/4600 all core. What would be a bonus is if these have per core OCing that actually works this time.
 
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It's hilarious you actually believe intel will deliver their roadmap... They haven't been so hot on that of late.

Thanks to AMD's pressure, now the Q1 2017 Core i7-7700K is rebranded to Core i3-10100 and the price went down from $339 in Q1 2017 to $99 these days.

Now, competition is a good thing for us, so that Intel has to deliver, so we go up from 4-core/8-thread being the lowest end.
 
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Ryzen 9 5900X at 4.8 GHz one core boost vs Core i7-1185G7 at 4.8 GHz one core boost is 5% higher performance - 629 / 598.
https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu-amd_ryzen_9_5900x-1748

Rocket Lake with most certainly regain the lead.

Dunno what’s going on with those intel parts. 1165G7 is only 100mhz behind 1185G7 but it is miles behind on those scores.

Too hard to compare IPC performance across manufacturer. Where IPC across generational chips of the same SKU under the same manufacturer is easier.

the supposed IPC gain on intel architecture may be wiped out by their lacklustre fabrication process ie you will get fantastic chips but cost you a kidney and a pair of lungs.
 
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Thanks to AMD's pressure, now the Q1 2017 Core i7-7700K is rebranded to Core i3-10100 and the price went down from $339 in Q1 2017 to $99 these days.

Now, competition is a good thing for us, so that Intel has to deliver, so we go up from 4-core/8-thread being the lowest end.

Yeah, compare this to 2016 and the benefits are incredible.
 
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Very unlikely. You're projecting Rocket Lake single core off a 10nm CPU. Rocket Lake is 14nm yet again, a last throw of the dice of that old and terribly inefficient node.

There's a small chance it could re-take the lead, but will only manage it while drawing 50% more watts :)
In any case you'll be waiting half a year for Rocket Lake, by which time AMD might even release XT versions of Ryzen 5000 that are even further ahead of Intel's power hungry chips.

Glad someone picked up on this. Rocket Lake won't 10nm and won't be tiny 4 core chips.
 
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Tiger Lake and Rocket Lake will be based on Willow Cove or Cypress Cove cores which means that what you see in Core i7-1185G7 will be multiplied in a desktop version the coming March 2021.

Yes I know all that. But you haven't addressed the fact that Rocket Lake is still 14nm, not 10nm, and it is half a year away (if it isnt delayed). That's an age in this industry. As someone mentioned, AMD have committed to 5nm CPUs next year already.
 
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