AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

[alec]

Bang for buck gotta be 5600X. It will be within 2-3% from top Zen 3 in games (jury is still out if top gaming cpu will be 5800X, 5900X or 5950X).
Which puts it above all of intel lineup, probably even OC 10900K.
Its not going to be a r5 3600 "good enough" situation. Its a "as good as it gets"

 

[jigger]

oh wait i thought you were joking because i thought the 1070ti wasnt real but it seems like it is...

you cant seriously have a pentium d with a 1070ti ? that is ludicrous. you are mad lol.

You can, zero point in buying the 1070ti or probably even 750ti but I’ve seen stranger setups.

 

[Richdog]

Bang for buck gotta be 5600X. It will be within 2-3% from top Zen 3 in games (jury is still out if top gaming cpu will be 5800X, 5900X or 5950X).
Which puts it above all of intel lineup, probably even OC 10900K.
Its not going to be a r5 3600 "good enough" situation. Its a "as good as it gets"

I will be planning to keep my rig for the next 3-4 and only upgrading the GPU, so I think a 5900x makes the most sense from that perspective to give myself some additional oomph as things become more multi-threaded.

 

[jigger]

Bang for buck gotta be 5600X. It will be within 2-3% from top Zen 3 in games (jury is still out if top gaming cpu will be 5800X, 5900X or 5950X).
Which puts it above all of intel lineup, probably even OC 10900K.
Its not going to be a r5 3600 "good enough" situation. Its a "as good as it gets"

Well the 5600X is going to be at least 20% down on cores and probably a little clock and IF speed.

 

[Brumboy]

But the price difference between a 5600x and 5800x is pretty massive.

The real interesting CPU is the 5600. If that is coming and rumoured to be £220, it'll hopefully be close to the 5600x performance. So £220 gets you a gaming CPU only a few % behind the most expensive mainstream CPU's.

This will be AMD's best seller. I am hoping in a few weeks more information will come out. If the 5600 isn't out for 6 months or something like that then I will just grab the 5600x and some 4000mhz memory. £70 saving or wait a few months basically.

 

[humbug]

I think AMD will be the same sort of level's ahead of Intel in games as Intel are ahead of AMD now, about 10% overall at 1080P with a 3080.

That is very significant, AMD's architecture is very different to Intel's, its tuned for power efficiency and built like Lego for yields, that's good for data centre, AMD can make higher core count CPU's more cheaply than Intel, the downside is the chiplet design introduced intercore latency which hurts them at low resolution gaming, despite having 13% higher IPC with Zen 2 already, they are still fast gaming chips, just not quite as fast as Intel.

Zen 3 will gain another 19% IPC and slightly higher clocks, that will put AMD ahead of Intel in everything, including low res gaming, but in productivity where Zen 2 are already stronger Zen 3 will take the pee.

Intel will need to increase their low res gaming performance by 20% just to put them a at a similar level in low res gaming that they are now at vs Zen 2, which isn't enough because it was never enough vs Zen 2.

At this point Intel need a miracle.

 

[jigger]

But the price difference between a 5600x and 5800x is pretty massive.

The real interesting CPU is the 5600. If that is coming and rumoured to be £220, it'll hopefully be close to the 5600x performance. So £220 gets you a gaming CPU only a few % behind the most expensive mainstream CPU's.

This will be AMD's best seller. I am hoping in a few weeks more information will come out. If the 5600 isn't out for 6 months then I will just grab the 5600x and some 4000mhz memory.

Yeah, but I don’t think that is what the gaming market is looking for. The smart money probably already has a 12 core Ryzen 3000 or 8 core Renoir. These chips are squarely aimed at the 9900/10900K and RTX 3000 crowd.

The “Master Race” seems like a larger market then the “Enthusiast” market. 10% slower = dung even at 50% less money.

 

[jigger]

I think AMD will be the same sort of level's ahead of Intel in games as Intel are ahead of AMD now, about 10% overall at 1080P with a 3080.

That is very significant, AMD's architecture is very different to Intel's, its tuned for power efficiency and built like Lego for yields, that's good for data centre, AMD can make higher core count CPU's more cheaply than Intel, the downside is the chiplet design introduced intercore latency which hurts them at low resolution gaming, despite having 13% higher IPC with Zen 2 already, they are still fast gaming chips, just not quite as fast as Intel.

Zen 3 will gain another 19% IPC and slightly higher clocks, that will put AMD ahead of Intel in everything, including low res gaming, but in productivity where Zen 2 are already stronger Zen 3 will take the pee.

Intel will need to increase their low res gaming performance by 20% just to put them a at a similar level in low res gaming that they are now at vs Zen 2, which isn't enough because it was never enough vs Zen 2.

At this point Intel need a miracle.

Yeah. Quick maths. Intel 5-10% faster than 3000 in games~ 5000 series 20-25% improvement over 3000 series.

 

[Little_Crow]

Prior to the pricing release I was definitely going to get the 8 core SKU.
Post pricing I was looking at the 5900x as it's 'only' £100 more.

Right now I'm more tending towards the 5600x, as at 3440x1440 the gains are minimal - I was going to any way, but now I'm even more resolved to wait for reviews.

 

[humbug]

Ironically its in Laptop's where AMD really have Intel by the proverbials, look at the 4800H, a 45 Watt 8 core 16 thread Zen 2 CPU with 90% the performance of a 9900K Desktop chip. that's ####'### astonishing.

A 45 Watt Zen 3 5800H will beat a 9900K.

 

[clv101]

Perhaps I’m out of touch with CPU prices these days but I wouldn’t ever think a £420 CPU would be considered in a ‘value’, its expensive! You could just about shoehorn it into a sub £1200 gaming PC, but you’d end up sacrificing somewhere else like graphics.

Absolutely, for gaming, the best value AMD system is a 3600 with the MSI cashback offer, or a used 3700X which seem to go for around £200 or slightly more.

The newly announced 5000 are all relatively poor value for money - but there will certainly be better value SKUs by the spring. As ALWAYS, early adopters pay a price.

The 3000 is still available, still performs very well and will likely be cheaper than ever, especially used, next month.

 

[humbug]

Absolutely, for gaming, the best value AMD system is a 3600 with the MSI cashback offer, or a used 3700X which seem to go for around £200 or slightly more.

The newly announced 5000 are all relatively poor value for money - but there will certainly be better value SKUs by the spring. As ALWAYS, early adopters pay a price.

The 3000 is still available, still performes very well and will likely be cheaper than ever, especially used, next month.

Yeah, Until the 5600 None X arrives in January the budget all round chip is still the 3600, it can be had for a good chunk under £200 right now and that will continue at least until the 5600 arrives at £220, which is £20 more than i paid for my 3600.

A, AMD are trying to clear out old Zen 2 stock and B, they are waiting to see how Intel responds with Rocket Lake. Depending on what Intel do AMD's whole stack might get a price drop, what they might do is release those 5Ghz Zen 3 chips with XT branding at X prices with those getting a price cut.

You can always drop your prices, you can't put them up, AMD are giving themselves room to move, as well as cash in on being better.

 

[jigger]

Perhaps I’m out of touch with CPU prices these days but I wouldn’t ever think a £420 CPU would be considered in a ‘value’, its expensive! You could just about shoehorn it into a sub £1200 gaming PC, but you’d end up sacrificing somewhere else like graphics.

Look at how well Nvidia have done selling £1200 2080ti and £1600 3090’s it’s not even a TI card. Go back a little longer look at how well Intel done selling $2000 8 cores. Clearly large parts of the desktop the market isn’t looking for value, but relatively the 5000 series are decent value.

I’m tempted to buy the fastest CPU and graphics card and 165hz monitor. An 8 pack binned 5950X, 64gb 8 pack 4400 DDR kit and 8 pack RTX3090 best effort squat edition or Big Navi.

Maybe Im missing something and the master race is actually glorious?

 

[Twinz]

Look at how well Nvidia have done selling £1200 2080ti

I don't think Nvidia would be offering ~30% more performance for $500 less if the $1200 cards "did well." It's smart to offer the 3090 and continue milking the small group that will pay any price for bragging rights while also offering the 3080 to try and bring the larger high-end market back into the fold.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Yup, the high end cards make lots of margin, but the real money is made on the higher volume products.

The 2000 series didn’t do well, it sold comparatively poorly as the price went up at least one tier, on launch the 2080 wasn’t really an upgrade from a 1080ti and ray tracing didn’t work.

You could argue it’s two botched launches for nvidia in a row now. For very different reasons of course.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Yup, the high end cards make lots of margin, but the real money is made on the higher volume products.

The 2000 series didn’t do well, it sold comparatively poorly as the price went up at least one tier, on launch the 2080 wasn’t really an upgrade from a 1080ti and ray tracing didn’t work.

You could argue it’s two botched launches for nvidia in a row now. For very different reasons of course.

Correct, although this can be interpreted as being an 'AMD fanboy' unless your a Turing card owner saying it.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Neither, still own a 980ti and 5820k was AMD and 2500k before that and all AMD before then.

For me 1080 wasn’t a huge upgrade, I passed on the ti at the time and the 2000 series was just too expensive for what you got so I hung on to the 980ti.

I don’t care which team delivers, I’ll buy whatever gives the most power for my budget at the time I want to spend it.

Up until recently there has really been one game in town (both CPU and GPU) but times are very much changing and I’m ready to buy. It looks like AMD will be the CPU, GPU could be either at this point but I’m not expecting AMD to equal or beat 3080 performance, that would require some serious gains. But if they did launch something between the 3070 and 3080 at the right price, I’d very much be interested.

 

[GregI]

Looks like we will have some big leaks this week. The first actual pictures of the chips from Twitter 2 hours ago.

 

[4K8KW10]

I don't like the colour of these CPUs. Couldn't they make it fresher grey?

 

[q974739]

I will be planning to keep my rig for the next 3-4 and only upgrading the GPU, so I think a 5900x makes the most sense from that perspective to give myself some additional oomph as things become more multi-threaded.

Agreed - this is also my plan.