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Well it was a stupid thing to say in the first place wasnt it.
What is white privilege?
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Sentamu was both tedious and unmeritorious in the pulpit, and hardly deserving of ermine, not that this does not apply to many of the mediocrities already enshrined in the Lords. The Conservatives give you some balance in not ennobling the dreadful Bercow, either, whose only claim to being a person of colour was his shocking tie rack.
Pot meet kettle.
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Are you kettle?
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Aaand he's killed another thread. Fml.
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Are you black? Or just a black crusader, (not the logo type on the Daily Express front page....
) You seem to have made anti perceived racism a personal crusade in here, to the extent I have to wonder why you are so concerned and get so animated? I am genuinely befuddled as to why the younger generation seems to think ethnics in the UK need or want their ululations and support. Isn't it a bit like insisting to see a perfectly able elderly person across the road, a bit insulting to their own capabilities?
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Has it not turned into the Lord of the flies you wanted?
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Was halfway through replying when Tony got another thread killed.
The actions of the IRA are not driven by religion. Their way and the atrocities committed are based on nationalism. It just happens that the Republic is a historically Catholic country and has had historic actions committed against it by the historically protestant UK. This meant that the lines of national support could easily be identified by someone's religious affiliation.
The KKK are not a religious organisation. They are nothing but racists. They targeted Catholics because they were typically Irish or Italian immigrants or at least descended from. They also went after Jews...
Was halfway through replying when Tony got another thread killed.
The actions of the IRA are not driven by religion. Their way and the atrocities committed are based on nationalism. It just happens that the Republic is a historically Catholic country and has had historic actions committed against it by the historically protestant UK. This meant that the lines of national support could easily be identified by someone's religious affiliation.
The KKK are not a religious organisation. They are nothing but racists. They targeted Catholics because they were typically Irish or Italian immigrants or at least descended from. They also went after Jews...
It's "obviously proverbial" if you have a gross misunderstanding of the word proverbial, I suppose. But thanks for showing up in my alerts again champ.
The point I was getting at is that these organisations weaponise religion. The KKK isn't a religious group in the same way that Mormons are, sure, but they do what they do in the name of their God.
I'm completely au fait with the history of targeted aggression against Catholics in this country coming from an Italian immigrant background whose forebears fled Mussolini's lot. Some of the stories my grandparents told me were insane, but they are a fascinating insight into what it is like to be the victim of racial abuse. I've never been in that situation.
I don't actually think we disagree on a fundamental level when it comes to the actual issue. I just think that it's more difficult for us to look in the mirror and see that religion as a whole causes all manner of problems regardless of which one we're talking about. Hell, I even classify aggressive atheism as a religion.
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It is more likely that John Sentamu's politics was the barrier rather than his race. Not that I am defending the current shower in any way.
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Certainly, the current Government appears to be determined to fill the House of Lords with Yes Men (and Yes Women). In fact, based on Boris Johnson's attempt to prorogue Parliament for five weeks last year and his current determination to rule by diktat rather than allowing debate in Parliament gives a clear indication of his disdain for democracy.
However, this doesn't alter the fact the there are remarkably few "Lords of Colour"; in fact only 12 of the 794 peers sitting in the Lords are of black heritage.
People will always look to find alternative reasons, when there is already circumstantial evidence (like the figures you cite) for the most obvious explanation.
Sad.
So what do you propose should be done about that, then?
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Well, a good first step would be ennobling John Sentamu, the former archbishop of York - as has I believe been the custom in the past
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How about not giving a toss about it. We should be getting rid of the Church out of the house of Lords anyway as we are a secular state. Also I dont get the obsession with black minorities, there are actually other races as well besides black.
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Well, a good first step would be ennobling John Sentamu, the former archbishop of York - as has I believe been the custom in the past
No a good first step would be to remove the Church from the House of Lords, they have no reason to be there under a secular state
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I am not looking to find alternative reasons. I just think that it is much more likely that his vocal opposition to Brexit is the main reason rather than the colour of his skin. John Brecon didn’t get a place either and he isn’t black.
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