Soldato
See edit, I was replying to post that was immediately before mine while I was typing, talking about WFH increased electricty costs.
Can't afford school meals for kids, but billions for homebuyers, sure!
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See edit, I was replying to post that was immediately before mine while I was typing, talking about WFH increased electricty costs.
Caporegime
This is absolute tosh, you can't directly compare poverty between those two countries. What you're talking about is abject poverty. To say poverty doesn't really exist in the UK because we're not at the no drinking water stage is laughable.
No matter what discussion comes up surrounding these topics, they always have to be compared to the absolute worst situations on the planet and the solution is often the bootstrap mentality, yes, people should just be smarter or gain a work ethic overnight. I bet some of you have the work will set you free banner above your front door.
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Yeah, absolutely.
How dare these women have children, especially without the active participation of men?
There should be a law against the sale of turkey basters.
The ova should just have said "NO!"
Malevolent indeed
Go donate to charity then, no one's saying you can't, it doesn't need the government to step in when people can do it themselves
Associate
Narrow minded view. I hope that you never need help from the state.
Situations change, remember that. Only thing certain in life is death and taxes.
Caporegime
Is this bro science?
People are willing to travel 1000s of miles, risk their lives crossing the channel to get here, to live in 'poverty' as you call it.
I call it rubbish. Anyone with a TV, mobile phone etc is NOT living in poverty. It's absurd.
And we as workers should not be paying for these people to live like this then be asked again to pay to feed their children while we see such blatant abuse of the funds.
Its literally an obscene request.
Soldato
I'm acting in a way where clearly the parents are completely incompetent, and the child shouldn't suffer for that. I completely agree that the government help in a way where this shouldn't happen but it does, and it isn't the child's fault. I'm a believer that the parents should receive funds in the way of coupons for food, which should eliminate them p***ing it all up the wall on foxy bingo.
Man of Honour
A lot of people seem to be confused on what this actually means, they still give kids free school meals. This is about giving them meals in the holidays as well.
Except it isn't. It is given as food vouchers instead. Schools are closed during the holidays so they can't feed kids.
I am going to caveat this with, I think the current government is appalling, I am also a teacher, I most certainly don't want kids to starve.
The Free School Meals vote was purely a bit of political grandstanding. It was an opposition day motion, which are either waved through without a vote if they are non political, or they, if they go to division, are always voted down. This has been the case for both parties when in power. Labour would have been well aware of this. So they set up the vote knowing it would be voted down so they could make political capital out of it. It wasn't about feeding kids, it was about scoring points with their base and making some good headlines. In this it has been very successful.
We also have an awful lot of so called progressive politicians and their supporters seemingly wanted to support what is effectively a food voucher scheme, something normally beloved of the right wing. Voucher schemes are stigmatising, limited and costly to run. In any other situation the left would be rightly decrying their use but are oddly in full support.
What should be being done instead is raising benefits to a level where parents can afford to feed their kids along with additional education on how to do it. Now the government have raised Universal Credit and they have given government funding to food charities but it is debateable as to if it enough.
Caporegime
Then you have to remove the child from parent if they are incompetent.
Caporegime
Exactly, how you you let incompetent parents raise a child.
Just remove the child and remove their child benefits, and their housing.
Game over.
Soldato
We could just give them assistance and support to parent better and to afford foodstuffs.
Can't imagine taking more children into care works out a lot cheaper than a few cooked dinners.
So who looks after the child? Who pays the additional costs of their childcare?
Are you suggesting having children should be IQ restricted?
Soldato
There's a decent proportion of those guys on this board who are simply misanthropes. Having never experienced co-habiting with a partner or raising children, or loving anything beyond possessions, they have a pretty resentful view of those who do.
Caporegime
They are given assistance and support. You cannot make someone in to a parent when they do not want to be one.
Soldato
There's also a significant amount of "behind the keyboard ******" going on. It's easy to say you're happy to let kids starve, remove kids from parents etc on an internet forum, regardless of whether you believe it or not.
I can sit here and say I don't think my tax money should be spent on propping up pub businesses or restaurants because I don't drink or eat out. I don't think we should be treating smokers in hospital because I don't smoke or people who are injured whilst drinking, playing sports or riding bikes on roads etc (life style choices). We shouldn't be using tax payers money to prevent airlines going under (I don't fly) and my money shouldn't be used towards HS2 yada yada yada.
It's easy see, it's also utterly meaningless.
This.
I would much rather my tax money went to feeding children then to giving someone a half price meal for a bloody month. Where was the outrage then?
Soldato
You won't here it because they probably benefitted from it, that's the absurdity of it all.
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