Can't afford school meals for kids, but billions for homebuyers, sure!

[Bounce]

How much stamp duty did you pay on that?

He would have paid zero anyway, first time buyers dont pay any stamp duty this has been the case for ages

 

[LOAM]

As with a lot of these threads recently, the anti-policy rhetoric is often underpinned by a consistently poor understanding of the whole societal and economic interrelationships by a number of contributors.

However, making sure school children are properly looked after in their education is paramount; encompassing quality teaching, a consistent & safe environment, ensuring attendance, creating attainable outcomes and futures through teaching the right subjects and most importantly prioritising the child's heath and wellbeing.

If the parents aren't proving this, for whatever reason, then it absolutely has to sit within the education system. The cost of this is irrelevant, compared to the benefit or irrecoverable harm to future generations.

Matters of education & pupil wellbeing like free school meals should not be vulnerable to government policy changes like this.

It's tragic because these very people want the circle to be broken but can't see that to do so you need to invest in the kids, not leave them to rot and perpetuate the problem.

 

[Scrutinize]

Er they are talking about school meals OUTSIDE of school...I.e half term and Xmas.

So a child stops learning, developing and requiring a consistent and safe environment in the holidays?

For those that benefit most from this the education system is their custodian until adulthood.

 

[The Running Man]

So a child stops learning, developing and requiring a consistent and safe environment in the holidays?

For those that benefit most from this the education system is their custodian until adulthood.

Isnt that what their parents are for?

The education system should never become the custodian of a child. Thats not what it is there for.

That's what parents are for.

 

[Caracus2k]

As a society we shouldn't be questioning whether we should be feeding starving kids but rather wtf is going on in government that means we aren't.

I can't say that i gave ever seen much evidence of kids starving in the UK in recent years (other than in limited cases of extreme neglect by their parents or carers generally not the result of not having access to food).

I see plently of poorly fed, often obese, children and have see a lot of them eating not particularly cheap or nutritious fast food or takeaway food provided by their parents but then its not exactly clear how providing food vouchers would alleviate this?

As always the resident forum socialists have no real answers beyond continually spending more of other people's money and ever increasing the role the inefficient state is supposed to play in people's lives.

 

[Dis86]

It is because it's about what people deem an acceptable way to spend tax payers money.

The people who lost their jobs if the pubs and restaurants went out of business are simply "the wrong type" aren't they? Why should the government support them either, they simply need to get a decent work ethic and not expect hand outs in their hour of need.

Do you not understand what has happened here? You can blame the parents if you want, in many cases yes sadly you're probably right but why punish the kids for their parents failings? It's chaos right now with (millions?) more people needing assistance, it was a temporary measure to feed kids outside of school term and in the greater scheme of things would cost peanuts, certainly less than the **** show track and trace fiasco cost that they gifted their bezzy mate Harding. Don't forget even Johnson was bemoaning his financial state the other week and he's earning £150k pa and don't let the fact the very politicians that rejected this get subsidised booze, a free meal every day and get their second home paid for pass you by, the whole thing is sick.

As a society we shouldn't be questioning whether we should be feeding starving kids but rather wtf is going on in government that means we aren't.

Very confused wtf you're ranting about here. Could you show where I've said we shouldn't feed the children?

 

[Caracus2k]

But I'm happy to let failing businesses close, I don't want my tax being used in that manner. It's not the government's place to be propping up failing businesses, survival of the fittest and all that.

Troll post is obvious......


Or are you really so obtuse as to not be able to differentiate emergency support for business in the middle of a pandemic, that is intended to keep sections of the economy afloat, from an ongoing new benefit.

If the goverment were proposing to perpetually prop up restaurant businesses by subsiding meals you might have a point but there not so you don't.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

This, people who can't afford kids shouldn't just keep breeding.

Every thread you raise OP is about how hard done by you are, I was brought up to work hard if I wanted nice things and you know what I have, why should I pay extra tax to pay for some slackers kids to get fed because they've spent their 'hard earned' JSA or UC on Sky TV, mobile phones and tablets

It's not the kids fault though is it? Why should the kids suffer due to their parents choices?

Maybe if people can't provide for their kids a better solution would be to take the kids off them.

 

[Scrutinize]

Isnt that what their parents are for?

The education system should never become the custodian of a child. Thats not what it is there for.

That's what parents are for.

Yes, parents do have the responsibility but as that fails, the education system is the child's custodian. It has to take ownership of the holistic and long-term wellfare.

Social Services only intervene in the critical cases.

............

If the parents aren't proving this, for whatever reason, then it absolutely has to sit within the education system. The cost of this is irrelevant, compared to the benefit or irrecoverable harm to future generations.

Matters of education & pupil wellbeing like free school meals should not be vulnerable to government policy changes like this.

 

[LOAM]

I can't say that i gave ever seen much evidence of kids starving in the UK in recent years (other than in limited cases of extreme neglect by their parents or carers generally not the result of not having access to food).

I see plently of poorly fed, often obese, children and have see a lot of them eating not particularly cheap or nutritious fast food or takeaway food provided by their parents but then its not exactly clear how providing food vouchers would alleviate this?

As always the resident forum socialists have no real answers beyond continually spending more of other people's money and ever increasing the role the inefficient state is supposed to play in people's lives.

If a kid goes without food for a day or a parent goes without, so their child can eat then that's an issue. You don't have to have a swollen belly and be on the brink of death to be in poverty in a western society, to suggest otherwise is is just ignorance.

Lol at your last paragraph, come back when you can explain the wasted £10B NHS IT system, the £10B wasted on a broken track and trace system and the current estimate of £106B on an unnecessary HS2 rail link then we can talk about spending other peoples money.

Anyway don't you have some tinfoil to fashion in to the shape of a hat rather than involving yourself in the big boys discussion?

 

[LOAM]

Troll post is obvious......


Or are you really so obtuse as to not be able to differentiate emergency support for business in the middle of a pandemic, that is intended to keep sections of the economy afloat, from an ongoing new benefit.

If the goverment were proposing to perpetually prop up restaurant businesses by subsiding meals you might have a point but there not so you don't.

Intelligence isn't really your strong point is it?

 

[LOAM]

Very confused wtf you're ranting about here. Could you show where I've said we shouldn't feed the children?

It was generalised comment rather than directed solely at you, that likely wasn't that clear though so apologies.

 

[Caracus2k]

Lol at your last paragraph, come back when you can explain the wasted £10B NHS IT system, the £10B wasted on a broken track and trace system and the current estimate of £106B on an unnecessary HS2 rail link then we can talk about spending other peopls money.

Well that answers the question.... Obtuse it is... the paragraph literally outlined why these projects tend to be so wasteful.

As always the resident forum socialists have no real answers beyond continually spending more of other people's money and ever increasing the role the inefficient state is supposed to play in people's lives.

We seen to agree that the state often provides poor value for money spent... The only question is why you therefore think the state should spend more?

 

[The Running Man]

Yes, parents do have the responsibility but as that fails, the education system is the child's custodian. It has to take ownership of the holistic and long-term wellfare.

Social Services only intervene in the critical cases.

At no point ever should the schools and the teachers become the child's custodian.

Why should they?

 

[Scrutinize]

At no point ever should the schools and the teachers become the child's custodian.

Why should they?

They already are though.

A child spends most of their childhood in the school environment. Even if they have different form tutors annually (some schools keep the same one), they have a single consistent school environment for blocks of years at a time.

Pre School, Junior School to Senior School.

 

[RDM]

Yes, parents do have the responsibility but as that fails, the education system is the child's custodian. It has to take ownership of the holistic and long-term wellfare.

While schools do have a safeguarding responsibility they are only the child's custodian during school hours. They cannot provide free school meals when they are shut.

You cannot put the failures of social services and parents on schools, they don't have the staff, budgets, time or training to do it.

 

[Scrutinize]

As with a lot of these threads recently, the anti-policy rhetoric is often underpinned by a consistently poor understanding of the whole societal and economic interrelationships by a number of contributors.

However, making sure school children are properly looked after in their education is paramount; encompassing quality teaching, a consistent & safe environment, ensuring attendance, creating attainable outcomes and futures through teaching the right subjects and most importantly prioritising the child's heath and wellbeing.

If the parents aren't proving this, for whatever reason, then it absolutely has to sit within the education system. The cost of this is irrelevant, compared to the benefit or irrecoverable harm to future generations.

Matters of education & pupil wellbeing like free school meals should not be vulnerable to government policy changes like this.

So a child stops learning, developing and requiring a consistent and safe environment in the holidays?

For those that benefit most from this the education system is their custodian until adulthood.

Yes, parents do have the responsibility but as that fails, the education system is the child's custodian. It has to take ownership of the holistic and long-term wellfare.

Social Services only intervene in the critical cases.

They already are though.

A child spends most of their childhood in the school environment. Even if they have different form tutors annually (some schools keep the same one), they have a single consistent school environment for blocks of years at a time.

Pre School, Junior School to Senior School.

While schools do have a safeguarding responsibility they are only the child's custodian during school hours. They cannot provide free school meals when they are shut.

You cannot put the failures of social services and parents on schools, they don't have the staff, budgets, time or training to do it.

I am quoting all my posts so context isn't lost here.

 

[Narj]

On the subject of school meals, good to see Marcus Rashford got an MBE. What a gent.

 

[Raymond Lin]

While we are at it, I think we need to remove free education, free health care, free dental for children. If you can’t afford it, don’t have kids.

Why half ass it, do it properly I’d say, right?!

 

[Bounce]

On the subject of school meals, good to see Marcus Rashford got an MBE. What a gent.

Yes good thing to do, but could he done more?

Millionaire footballer with a £50m fortune