Can't afford school meals for kids, but billions for homebuyers, sure!

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While we are at it, I think we need to remove free education, free health care, free dental for children. If you can’t afford it, don’t have kids.

Why half ass it, do it properly I’d say, right?!

Fatuous comparison.... Firstly none of the above are 'free'

And teaching , healthcare and dentistry require specialist training to be undertaken.

Competently feeding yourself and others is a basic skill that almost all adults should be capable of.

There's an argument that the state should provide the funding for the above rather than directly provide the services themselves (as the already do with dentistry) but that's another matter.
 
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Fatuous comparison.... Firstly none of the above are 'free'

And teaching , healthcare and dentistry require specialist training to be undertaken.

Competently feeding yourself and others is a basic skill that almost all adults should be capable of.

There's an argument that the state should provide the funding for the above rather than directly provide the services themselves (as the already do with dentistry) but that's another matter.

Exactly, none of them are free, why am I paying for your kid’s school meal, dentist, healthcare? I don’t have any kids, you pay for it all yourself! If we are talking about saving money, let’s save it all, make the end user pay for it, not out of our taxes.

Let’s do it properly!
 
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I am quoting all my posts so context isn't lost here.

I get the context, I just think you are wrong in some aspects. For a start, this isn’t a government policy change, the Labour proposition was the policy change.

Also kids don’t spend the majority of their time in school, they spend about 6-7 hours of 190 days a year in school, the majority of their time is out of school.

Did you read my post earlier in the thread as to why this is a political stunt and little more?

The Labour proposal is terrible, was always going to get voted down and is about the worst way of dealing with child poverty if you have any real heart. Are you seriously supporting the equivalent of food stamps?
 
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Same argument can be made for Paul McCartney; he hasn’t said anything! How much is he worth?

His fortune is not a point of argument.

Yes it is, the problem is in this country there is a massive difference between the richest and poorest and Rashford is on the highest scale of this.

Sure he has spoken about it and setup delivering food parcels, but he's not dipped in his pocket and donated. Even if it was half of his fortune he'd still live a very good life.
 
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Yes it is, the problem is in this country there is a massive difference between the richest and poorest and Rashford is on the highest scale of this.

Sure he has spoken about it and setup delivering food parcels, but he's not dipped in his pocket and donated. Even if it was half of his fortune he'd still live a very good life.

And speaking about it cost nothing, none of the other billionaires even written a full stop.

Sure he can pay £1 mil, 2 mil or £50mil, actually let’s do that. Let’s give up government support totally, have school rely on donations to run. Why just have Marcus pay, why not make everyone pay?

wait....that’s what we are doing already!
 
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And speaking about it cost nothing, none of the other billionaires even written a full stop.

Sure he can pay £1 mil, 2 mil or £50mil, actually let’s do that. Let’s give up government support totally, have school rely on donations to run. Why just have Marcus pay, why not make everyone pay?

wait....that’s what we are doing already!

My point is if he felt strongly about why not donate? Surely after doing this many other celebrities like himself would donate as well?

So instead hes bullied the goverment into paying, so guess who pays for that eventually? me you and every other average household in the country who are struggling to make ends meet, these are the people he is exactly suppose to be helping...
 
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Same argument can be made for Paul McCartney; he hasn’t said anything! How much is he worth?

His fortune is not a point of argument.

Fortune is a massive part of the argument though, as these people have the means to make a massive impact on society. Taxing everyone on this thread a few % more isn't going to go far in providing all these social schemes. For someone who's earning 10mil a year, his weekly wage is enough to buy 2 million bowls of cornflakes.
 
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Fortune is a massive part of the argument though, as these people have the means to make a massive impact on society. Taxing everyone on this thread a few % more isn't going to go far in providing all these social schemes. For someone who's earning 10mil a year, his weekly wage is enough to buy 2 million bowls of cornflakes.

Very true.
 
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Football players wages should have been capped years ago, earning up to 500k a week for kicking a football around is just silly.
 
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I believe that there should be more education for parents on how to create cheap, healthy meals for children. A pizza and chips from Iceland could cost £2-3 or something but it won't 'fill' their stomach. Yes they will be full but due to the content, they'll be hungry again very quickly when compared to something full of vitamins.

What like YouTube and Google?

All you need to do is type in cheap healthy meal and follow whatever turns up.
 
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What like YouTube and Google?

All you need to do is type in cheap healthy meal and follow whatever turns up.
A lot of the great british public need to be educated about how to educate themselves. However there will always be some who don't care or don't want to be told.
If only we had an education system the taught more than simply how to pass exams.
 
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What like YouTube and Google?

All you need to do is type in cheap healthy meal and follow whatever turns up.

It's not always a case that the parent couldn't find or wouldn't know how to follow a recipe.

It can be that it's too much effort to cook, don't always have the available cooking facilities, can't be bothered with the cleaning/tidying up after. Picking up a burger from Mcds solve all three of those issues.
 
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My point is if he felt strongly about why not donate? Surely after doing this many other celebrities like himself would donate as well?

So instead hes bullied the goverment into paying, so guess who pays for that eventually? me you and every other average household in the country who are struggling to make ends meet, these are the people he is exactly suppose to be helping...

He has...
 
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If only we had an education system the taught more than som how to pass exams.

It is quite frankly shocking how little the education system teaches outside of core subjects.

I was at secondary school in the early 2000's and yes we had some cooking classes, along with woodwork and textiles as part of design tech. But the cooking barely consisted of meal planning, or understanding the various nutrients that go in food and how they need to be balanced etc. I think one week we had a "make your own desert", so obviously being kids we would make an absolute monstrosity of a desert that probably had the daily sugar intake of 10 adults.

We did have some extra curricular/life skill lessons, but these were once a week for about 8 weeks, i think we covered a bit on finance (like what is a bank account), sex ed, learning to drive - i remember this module as part of it we went down to the local fire station where they'd had a crumpled car - basically to say don't drive like a ****.

There needs to be a lot more emphasis on basic life skills taught at schools. They don't need hundreds of financial lessons to turn them into accountants, but covering basic principles of budgeting, taxation, pension, loans, investing etc etc.
 
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