Excellent video from adoredtv on Nvidia Ampere and reviewers

[sidthesexist]

Gotta try and monetise it. Don't videos have to be 10 mins before they can start doing that?

8 Minutes now, and he's not receiving anything from this Vid Iirc as Linus claimed it for using a small clip....

 

[VincentHanna]

8 Minutes now, and he's not receiving anything from this Vid Iirc as Linus claimed it for using a small clip....

He wouldn't have known that when editing it though (that it would be demonetised)

 

[G J]

Yawn, again throwing his toys out the pram again so see him again in a few weeks.

 

[TNA]

Really? Hardware unboxed are probably some of the most legit tech guys out there.

Agreed. I trust them the most out of them all personally.

Spoiler

Much more than Digital Foundry. Sorry could not help it

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Alright guys, now im goin

 

[DarrenM343]

Sadly not only are opened being misled they are willingly being misled. You see it on these very forums. As soon as anyone has anything negative to say about the dominant forces in the industry, like magic, one of more of the defence force show up. I'm not one for conspiracy theories but there are either paid actors or people with very little else going on taking it upon themselves to defend their belief.

As for Jim I'm surprised he wasn't already aware that's how it works. Once person won't change it and many other don't want to change. The best he could hop6 for is to have his say and hope that one day he is recognised as being right.

It's the same with anything that has a kind of cult-like following. Tesla(twitter, youtube) is another example where this occurs, the fan club will defend 'til their death. Maybe even Apple vs Android even. Strange to observe IMO

 

[james.miller]

8 Minutes now, and he's not receiving anything from this Vid Iirc as Linus claimed it for using a small clip....

Nope. Linus didn't claim it, his MCM did. And when linus found out about it, he had the claim removed. Jim already had his little rant by then. Whoopsie.

 

[Troezar]

It's the same with anything that has a kind of cult-like following. Tesla(twitter, youtube) is another example where this occurs, the fan club will defend 'til their death. Maybe even Apple vs Android even. Strange to observe IMO

Definitely Apple. My theory is it has simply replaced religion in the West. Same brain wiring just something different to believe in

 

[Deniryer]

The funny thing he's not wrong about that. RTX 3090 is not even close to TITAN or Quadro/Tesla GPU class without extra support (full OptiX, hardware accelerated View Ports, NVlink with shared memory, capped FP64 performance, Int8&16 operation shared with FP32 etc.)
It's overpriced GPU for gamers and yt quasi-pro.

Same goes to his leaked information. Amepre could have been manufactured in Samsung 5N if not the fact that Samsung had delays (same as Intel with 7N or GloFo with 10nm).
People need to learn to read leaks and rumours lol.

 

[Zeed]

This time he has gone in deeper, exposing real flaws of what a fair amount of reviewers have claimed for the 3090, and also how so many people lap it up as gospel.

He even raised the question, are the reviewers dumb or is it deliberate.

He has quit, because he is up against an absolute army of fake reviews and people been influenced by it.

As Jim said how 2 **** can 3090 be like new titan if it does not have UNLOCKED DRIVERS ?? !!!

You guys remember Pascal titan ??? Vega 64 cames out rapes it in few workloads week later NV uses MAGIC and unlocks drivers and puits Vega whee it belongs

 

[Ross Thomson]

He is clearly frustrated, I think especially with what he sees as an increasingly hostile viewer base, hence the start of his video and the I quit at the end. But having watched all the video and knowing myself how broken the review industry is I can understand the frustration.

That's because he is an arse with a god complex. He talks some amount of drivel

 

[PrincessFrosty]

This time he has gone in deeper, exposing real flaws of what a fair amount of reviewers have claimed for the 3090, and also how so many people lap it up as gospel.

It's a total load of nonsense. What differentiated the Titan class of cards from the rest of the cards wasn't a name, it was because they were prosumer cards which were aimed at people who wanted to do professional level work on them such as design, modeling and rendering, or any kind of GPGPU work, while also having a card capable of gaming. We KNOW this for a fact because the cards ship with 16-24Gb of vRAM on them where as games use a measly ~6Gb on average for 4k ultra. That extra memory was never ever useful for games, and if you're going to argue that point then just go read the "is 10Gb enough" thread to find out why you're probably wrong.

Plenty of reviewers this time around pointed out that the 3090 is NOT a gaming card, the performance gains of the GPU over the 3080 are very small, SLI is basically dead, and it's twice as expensive, so the only reason you'd buy it is either you have enough disposable income that price isn't a concern and you just want the best, or you're doing professional work on it.

Playing semantic games with words and names about what should be compared to what from gen to gen is just painfully stupid, it doesn't matter what the name is or what the marketing says, people with any brains don't buy things based on names, they review the specs and get what is appropriate for them.

 

[Boot_Loop]

I stopped watching any of his stuff ages ago when it became apparent he has issues with being told he is wrong. Proper throw your toys out the pram type character, ive seen him on twitter really going off on people and the cheesing out with a block when they come back with credible info.

He was never fit to do youtube stuff, too much ego, too much god complex, and extremely naive at the same time.

Also strikes me as a proper drama queen, especially with this i quit stuff, who cares, he hung any credibility he had with the zen debacle and his 5ghz claims and backtracking.

Good riddance to another techtube moron

Yep same, the Ryzen 3000 5Ghz, $150 6-cores, Black Edition etc fake chart 'leak' he lived off for about 6 months was unforgiveable and I stopped watching, he clearly has no idea how CPUs work, some of his claims in that video and chart was insulting to my intelligence, like claiming the BASE CLOCK of one of the Ryzen 3000 SKUs would be 4.3Ghz. Base clock. I called him out for this as a red herring and I got some abuse back on Twitter lol!

He's even got his own defence force of AMD fans, who don't realise he does more harm than good. He can do one.

EDIT: In fact I saved that infamous Ryzen 3000 info chart leak so it would never be forgotten, here it is in all its glory, only 99.9% of it was wrong....

 

[gpuerrilla]

Some parts of his video were spot on.

Now that he is gone, when are you getting back into the YouTube business?

PMSL.

 

[TheRealDeal]

It's a total load of nonsense. What differentiated the Titan class of cards from the rest of the cards wasn't a name, it was because they were prosumer cards which were aimed at people who wanted to do professional level work on them such as design, modeling and rendering, or any kind of GPGPU work, while also having a card capable of gaming. We KNOW this for a fact because the cards ship with 16-24Gb of vRAM on them where as games use a measly ~6Gb on average for 4k ultra. That extra memory was never ever useful for games, and if you're going to argue that point then just go read the "is 10Gb enough" thread to find out why you're probably wrong.

Plenty of reviewers this time around pointed out that the 3090 is NOT a gaming card, the performance gains of the GPU over the 3080 are very small, SLI is basically dead, and it's twice as expensive, so the only reason you'd buy it is either you have enough disposable income that price isn't a concern and you just want the best, or you're doing professional work on it.

Playing semantic games with words and names about what should be compared to what from gen to gen is just painfully stupid, it doesn't matter what the name is or what the marketing says, people with any brains don't buy things based on names, they review the specs and get what is appropriate for them.

It's not a Titan full stop is his whole point. Titans use Titan drivers that make it fast in different workloads as can be seen when RTX Titan beats out the higher specced 3090. The 3090 is a Geforce card and is the actual flagship card. He made the video because people were complaining that he compared the 3090 to a 2080ti and not an RTX Titan. The 3090 is the top end gaming gpu and not a titan so he compared it to last gens top gaming gpu. Nvidia's marketing of Titan class performance is smoke and mirrors to make it look like you are getting a Titan for cheap compared to last gen when really you would be paying extra for this gens 2080ti. It's easy to see his point if you actually watch from start to finish and he's spot on.

Only people that want to believe every word Jen said believe that the Flagship card is the 3080 10gb.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

It's not a Titan full stop is his whole point. Titans use Titan drivers that make it fast in different workloads as can be seen when RTX Titan beats out the higher specced 3090. The 3090 is a Geforce card and is the actual flagship card. He made the video because people were complaining that he compared the 3090 to a 2080ti and not an RTX Titan. The 3090 is the top end gaming gpu and not a titan so he compared it to last gens top gaming gpu. Nvidia's marketing of Titan class performance is smoke and mirrors to make it look like you are getting a Titan for cheap compared to last gen when really you would be paying extra for this gens 2080ti. It's easy to see his point if you actually watch from start to finish and he's spot on.

Only people that want to believe every word Jen said believe that the Flagship card is the 3080 paltry 10gb.

The RTX titan is a £2500 card, the 3090 is a £1500 card. They might not use the same driver stack but who the hell cares? What matters is who are these cards aimed at, by way of their specifications. 24Gb of vRAM is 4x more than you need for even 4k ultra gaming, that is clearly aimed at prosumer use, they are the only people that can make use of that much vRAM. The fact that it's marginally gimped next to something like the RTX Titan doesn't matter, it's a cheaper card and so it's fine that it's slower. It's typical that in the electronics space you have multiple options at multiple price points that are either faster or slower. If you're someone after a lot of vRAM for prosumer use then the 3090 is a good deal vs the more expensive Titans, it completely depends on your use case.

Calling 10Gb of vRAM paltry is just ignorant, there's a massive thread discussing this and so far there's no evidence 10Gb wont be enough for the 3080. Even if you crank games like RDR2 to 4k ultra you get about 6.5Gb of real world usage and you're right on the limit of what the GPU can run in a playable frame rate. Even games like FS2020 which are aimed to be future proofed for years to come can't use more than about 9.5Gb at 4k Ultra and they cannot be played at those settings, the GPU on a 3080 simply isn't fast enough to keep a good frame rate at that level of detail.

Semantic arguments are stupid.

"What's in a name?"

 

[TheRealDeal]

The RTX titan is a £2500 card, the 3090 is a £1500 card. They might not use the same driver stack but who the hell cares? What matters is who are these cards aimed at, by way of their specifications. 24Gb of vRAM is 4x more than you need for even 4k ultra gaming, that is clearly aimed at prosumer use, they are the only people that can make use of that much vRAM. The fact that it's marginally gimped next to something like the RTX Titan doesn't matter, it's a cheaper card and so it's fine that it's slower. It's typical that in the electronics space you have multiple options at multiple price points that are either faster or slower. If you're someone after a lot of vRAM for prosumer use then the 3090 is a good deal vs the more expensive Titans, it completely depends on your use case.

Calling 10Gb of vRAM paltry is just ignorant, there's a massive thread discussing this and so far there's no evidence 10Gb wont be enough for the 3080. Even if you crank games like RDR2 to 4k ultra you get about 6.5Gb of real world usage and you're right on the limit of what the GPU can run in a playable frame rate. Even games like FS2020 which are aimed to be future proofed for years to come can't use more than about 9.5Gb at 4k Ultra and they cannot be played at those settings, the GPU on a 3080 simply isn't fast enough to keep a good frame rate at that level of detail.

Semantic arguments are stupid.

"What's in a name?"

His whole point is the 3090 is not a Titan. There is no if's and buts. It's this gens 2080ti for more money. Titan class performance is mentioned to make people think it's something like a Titan which it is not. The 24gb Vram is part of the smoke and mirrors as its a look at this, the 3090 is a Titan class card as it has so much Vram.

You are believing in the marketing is another point he's making. Titans had special drivers for a reason and this doesn't cause its plainly a Geforce gaming card with none of the benefits a Titan has but does have 24gb vram. Nvidia got there marketing spot on but nothing will change that the 3090 is a Geforce gaming card with Vram being the only thing it has in common with a proper Titan card.

 

[gpuerrilla]

That's exactly what hes said. People are doing what the test subjects did in the video, they knew the right answer but followed the actors. The psychology of it is simple but effective.

 

[TNA]

Some parts of his video were spot on.



PMSL.

It's not a Titan full stop is his whole point. Titans use Titan drivers that make it fast in different workloads as can be seen when RTX Titan beats out the higher specced 3090. The 3090 is a Geforce card and is the actual flagship card. He made the video because people were complaining that he compared the 3090 to a 2080ti and not an RTX Titan. The 3090 is the top end gaming gpu and not a titan so he compared it to last gens top gaming gpu. Nvidia's marketing of Titan class performance is smoke and mirrors to make it look like you are getting a Titan for cheap compared to last gen when really you would be paying extra for this gens 2080ti. It's easy to see his point if you actually watch from start to finish and he's spot on.

Only people that want to believe every word Jen said believe that the Flagship card is the 3080 10gb.

Jim, is that you?

 

[gpuerrilla]

Alright guyyyyyyz..