The thread which sometimes talks about RDNA2

aoaaron · 28 Oct 2020 at 17:32

Double07 said:
I never implied that 8GB was "enough" and obviously RDNA2 having 16GB across the board is amazing. That doesn't however translate to consoles, its a 16GB shared system memory which has to take care of EVERYTHING including VRAM so your inane comments about consoles having more VRAM than the new RTX cards is just silly.

How much VRAM Can XSX devote to a game? I've read its around 10-13GB of VRAM. Thats bigger than 8GB.
Does all of our VRAM on our GPUs go to the video game or does the PC use any of it for something else?

8GB IMO is not enough and we'll see this console generation 6800+ owners keeping hold of their cards longer than 3070+ owners.

TNA · 28 Oct 2020 at 17:32

@humbug are you gona give @Rroff a hard time for him getting it wrong about the performance charts from the last presentation being the top GPU?

aoaaron · 28 Oct 2020 at 17:33

Tiny_D said:
Only a small percent of people seem to care about RT (Mostly the cult of Nvidia), and DLSS does have an answer from AMD, and tbh DLSS is pants on Nvidia atm too, I have had it for 2 years and used it urmmm NEVER!!

I own an RTX card and I can say I've used RT twice and sometimes I need to toggle on/off a couple of times to see the difference.
DLSS has helped me twice and there have been plenty of games (RDR2, HZD) where I could have done with DLSS, and its not there.

EastCoastHandle · 28 Oct 2020 at 17:33

If some of you missed the video 1 summary it's here:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/posts/34131893

Part of Video 2 Summary here:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/posts/34132163
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/posts/34132343

KentMan · 28 Oct 2020 at 17:33

Darujhistan said:
I see what you're getting at, but it's competiton that drives innovation, that's what has happened here, now Intel in particular have to answer. And so it goes on...

How is it any different to Nvidias blackbox gameworks? Or Intels code patching if it detects an AMD cpu etc? Lol.

Intel / Nvidia have been doing this stuff for years, the problem for them is they dont produce CPUs and GPUs, AMD have wised up and played them at their own game.

Also a lot of this tech is all based on DirectX12 Ultimate, so i dont think Intel and Nvidia will be totally locked out, Frank Azor even states in the video i posted above they worked with Microsoft on some of the features.

Rroff · 28 Oct 2020 at 17:34

TNA said:
@humbug are you gona give @Rroff a hard time for him getting it wrong about the performance charts from the last presentation being the top GPU?

While I did get that wrong - I got the specs of the card they were using correct and did allow there might be a faster GPU

Looks like AMD Smart Access was the additional IO capabilities I noticed.

Kamakazie! · 28 Oct 2020 at 17:34

muon said:
You don't know that. They kept saying Best API vs Best API.

We do know it because in the 6800 and 6900XT slides they stated at the bottom that they included additional aspects. In these ones they didn't so it's clear it means they were off.

Darujhistan · 28 Oct 2020 at 17:35

Yeah the NV cult are holding up the DLSS and RTX fig leaves as a last line of defence.

PrincessFrosty · 28 Oct 2020 at 17:35

Troezar said:
I still don't get the point of DLSS. It's game specific and it's only of use if you don't have enough grunt for native resolution. I'd just use a lower res monitor as native, hence I use 1440p, but that's just me

Primarily to compliment ray tracing. To do any kind of ray tracing is real time is still way too expensive to do in resolutions above 720p last gen or 1080p this gen, so to play games in 1440p or 4k as gamers are coming to expect, you need some kind of smart upscaling. It's sort of suspicious this was missing from AMDs lineup today as were any kind of ray tracing benchmarks. Game specific implementation of DLSS is fine because it's mostly helpful as a sister technology to RTX, and if a studio does one with their game they'll naturally do both.

Boot_Loop · 28 Oct 2020 at 17:35

Where are those crazy people on here that were predicting RDNA2's top card would only compete with the 3070/2080 Ti?

Hang your heads in shame

thenewoc · 28 Oct 2020 at 17:35

Were they all just double slot cards?

Dave2150 · 28 Oct 2020 at 17:35

Double07 said:
For the 8,357th time in this thread the new consoles DONT have 16GB VRAM!!!!

For the last time - the new console generation is getting DOUBLE the total memory, from 8GB to 16GB. How much more VRAM do you think next gen games are likely to use, HMMM?

edgedemon · 28 Oct 2020 at 17:35

Shilz said:
The 6900XT is the one im getting but ill be maxing that out at 3440x1440. Just need the water block for it now.

Same res here, Im gonna wait for benchies and quality of drivers before I jump in

TNA · 28 Oct 2020 at 17:35

Rroff said:
While I did get that wrong - I got the specs of the card they were using correct and did allow there might be a faster GPU

Looks like AMD Smart Access was the additional IO capabilities I noticed.

You got it wrong mate

Haha. Just kidding. Happens to us all, especially humbug, he gets it wrong quite often, happy he was right on this occasion though

Jay85 · 28 Oct 2020 at 17:36

thenewoc said:
Were they all just double slot cards?

2-2.5 slot cards

Tiny_D · 28 Oct 2020 at 17:37

aoaaron said:
How much VRAM Can XSX devote to a game? I've read its around 10-13GB of VRAM. Thats bigger than 8GB.
Does all of our VRAM on our GPUs go to the video game or does the PC use any of it for something else?

8GB IMO is not enough and we'll see this console generation 6800+ owners keeping hold of their cards longer than 3070+ owners.

Again with the stupid, the 3070 moves vRam differently with 6x memory and by the time you worry about the 3070 and these games that require more vRam than the 3070 can handle you will have turned your in game settings down anyway because the raterisation will run out WAY before the vRam. Honestly the amount of uninformed morons spouting the same rubbish about vRam amazes me, go do some Google before you speak factually.

Darujhistan · 28 Oct 2020 at 17:37

KentMan said:
How is it any different to Nvidias blackbox gameworks? Or Intels code patching if it detects an AMD cpu etc? Lol.

Intel / Nvidia have been doing this stuff for years, the problem for them is they dont produce CPUs and GPUs, AMD have wised up and played them at their own game.

Also a lot of this tech is all based on DirectX12 Ultimate, so i dont think Intel and Nvidia will be totally locked out, Frank Azor even states in the video i posted above they worked with Microsoft on some of the features.

I never said they'd be locked out, I simply said AMD have an eco system of their own, and NV sell you a card. That's just the facts.

thenewoc · 28 Oct 2020 at 17:37

Jay85 said:
2-2.5 slot cards

Presumably the 6900 XT was 2.5 then was it?

RBImGuy · 28 Oct 2020 at 17:37

The main thing the key is infinity cache that allows 1660gb/s bandwidth, unprecedented oh my

Poneros · 28 Oct 2020 at 17:38

The best part is that this isn't even max performance. While Ampere is maxed out straight from the factory we know these can do 2.4 Ghz & more depending on the cooling. In reality the AIB vs AIB fight will be a BLOODBATH in AMD's favor!

Might actually watercool for the first time.