Trans man denied right to register as his child's father.

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I can't wait for the episode of 'Who do you think you are?' in 100 years time.

Personally, if you want to change your gender or identify as a different gender, go ahead. You can't change the fundamentals of nature though; only female humans can give birth and it should be recorded as so.
 
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Crikey, what is the world coming too - the person in concern is clearly the mother and quite rightly named as such in line with the recognised norms in current society from a biological sense.

However, if a person wants to identify differently outside of the constraints of a birth certificate (where perhaps the gender doesn't matter in terms of description from a biological front), then it's their call to do so.

But - changing it on a birth certificate would have been a step too far IMO.
Completely agree.
 
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Imagine the poor kid at school. This is my Daddy, who used to be my Mummy. :confused::(

Do these creatures not think of anybody other than their self-righteous selves?
 

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John Money in 1955

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money

Not sure if you were expecting such a specific reply :p

Though to be fair, "3rd genders" and non binary genders have been recognised in societies throughout history, I guess he was just one of the first to encapsulate it's meaning.
I was not haha but I am glad you answered :) Of course it has to be a psychologist, no doubt the initial theories were full of projection :rolleyes:

Money introduced the terms gender identity, gender role and sexual orientation

The need to define socialised gender based characteristics out of individualism and sexual preference seems an awful lot like an illexplained attempt to counter sexism.

To be fair I will have to read up on this money guy more, thanks.
 
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Imagine the poor kid at school. This is my Daddy, who used to be my Mummy. :confused::(

Do these creatures not think of anybody other than their self-righteous selves?

Child cruelty, Yet the kid apparantly is not protected and dads gender rights is more important. Identify how you like but he can never be a dad ever its reality. But thesr are the kind of people who come home and are like damm close them curtains! You will let reality in!
 
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A bit like assisted dying, this isn't a change in approach that should be legislated into being by the courts. The only right way to do this would be through primary legislation, going through the democratic process and voted on by MPs.

What annoys me about stories like these are people who want to make a fundamental change to society but want to short circuit the democratic process and try and force change through the courts. I'm glad the Supreme Court chucked this out.
 

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Always, as far as I know. As far as I know, pretending they're the same thing is the more recent change. Probably out of a moralistic aversion to using the word "sex".
That's interesting, my entire lifetime they have been interchangeable until very recently, however I was much younger then so perhaps would not have cause to use either word in any other context or analysis.
 
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I'd have a tiny bit of sympathy if they had at least tried to take the male role by donating their genetic code (egg in this case) and used a surrogate woman to carry.
 
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The need to define socialised gender based characteristics out of individualism and sexual preference seems an awful lot like an illexplained attempt to counter sexism. [..]

It seems more like accuracy to me. It's always been the case that the two things are different and while gender changes often from time to time and from place to place, sex doesn't.

Random example - in a typical hunter-gatherer tribe, hunting was done by men and gathering was done (or at least primarily done) by women. That's not sexed. A woman can hunt. A man can gather plants. So those activities aren't sexed. They were associated with a sex, i.e. they were gendered. For good reasons in that case, but that's a different topic. The point is that those roles are gendered and not sexed. That distinction has always existed, regardless of the language used.

Pretending that sex and gender are the same thing is part of the problem, not the solution. It's what leads to things such as trans activists telling girls who are into cars that they're boys. If sex and gender were the same thing, they'd be right to do so. More boys than girls are into cars (at least here and now), so an interest in cars is gendered masculine to some extent. If sex and gender are the same thing, that means that anyone interested in cars is male. But sex and gender very much aren't the same thing. It doesn't matter what you call the two different things. Sex and gender, bibble and flartibort, whatever. The fact remains that they're different things.
 

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So those activities aren't sexed. They were associated with a sex, i.e. they were gendered.
Hmm... it sounds an awful lot like genderism is both observational and exaggerated sexism.

Pretending that sex and gender are the same thing is part of the problem, not the solution. It's what leads to things such as trans activists telling girls who are into cars that they're boys.
No, I don't think the conflation of the terms is what leads the mentally ill to abuse the vulnerable.

Sex and gender are defined the same, until you look into the vague difference to the definition of gender that technically doesn't conform linguistically with traditional terminology, thus (to me) becoming bogus and open to abuse which we are now seeing.
 
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No, I don't think the conflation of the terms is what leads the mentally ill to abuse the vulnerable.

Sex and gender are defined the same, until you look into the vague difference to the definition of gender that technically doesn't conform linguistically with traditional terminology, thus (to me) becoming bogus and open to abuse which we are now seeing.

In this example, you're arguing that having an interest in cars is male. Not masculine. Male. So you have no grounds on which to classify someone else doing the same thing as you as being the mentally ill abusing the vulnerable. They're just applying the same idea you're advocating, i.e. that sex and gender are the same thing.
 
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This is just another example of how deluded these people are. Whether we accomodate their nonsense or not, her child is going to grow up a bit of a mess, sadly.
 

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In this example, you're arguing that having an interest in cars is male. Not masculine. Male. So you have no grounds on which to classify someone else doing the same thing as you as being the mentally ill abusing the vulnerable. They're just applying the same idea you're advocating, i.e. that sex and gender are the same thing.
Only when using your definition to apply sexist ideology, else it is incorrect.

You can't conflate gender identity and gender roles with gender itself.
 
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