The nervous wait to exchange....

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Up'd our offer this evening on the condition that seller removes house from the market. Us and our solicitor finds it odd that it's "offers in region of" which isn't a done thing in Scotland. Makes it hard to gage what they're after, but appears to be a case of the classic offers over is the truth. Eitherway, the amount of notes of interest is low compared to amount of viewings.
 
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Selling an inherited property at moment, I think in estate agent language its an "investment opportunity"

Got agent down to about 1.3% +VAT (its a cheap property so you can't get really low) , I did have a cheaper offer but bloke seemed a right Del Boy

Market pretty hot round here and after 10 viewings and 8 or 9 offers in a week it was driving me mad so agent asked the all for "best and final offer" and price agreed just above asking price

Found a solicitor online for about 500 all in

generally all seems to be going well, price agreed early Oct and expecting completion in next week or 2
 
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Got agent down to about 1.3% +VAT (its a cheap property so you can't get really low)

Most of the agents round here are offering 1% including the VAT but given the average selling price is north of £300k and my house is closer to £500k, that's exactly what i was after and i wasn't going to accept 1% + VAT this time around.
 
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Most of the agents round here are offering 1% including the VAT but given the average selling price is north of £300k and my house is closer to £500k, that's exactly what i was after and i wasn't going to accept 1% + VAT this time around.

this was listed at 90k so 1% would be less than the internet agents, was generally quoted 1.5 - 2.25%
 
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Had an offer accepted on hopefully my "dream" house. Needs a bit of renovation in the existing areas but has a new extension on the back.

Managed to agree 35k under the "offers over" price due to the renovation needed which is good!

Surveyor just come back to me and said they want 900+ vat for the full building survey (it is a decent sized 4 bed home).

Also anyone live in a home without a garage? Are power tools etc ok to store in a shed? I dont really need a garage just somewhere to store some tools.

Edit: floorplan below from planning permission. Only thing they didn't do on this is put an RSJ back to reduce the size of tbe study. This needs doing as the current room is very dark. Also considering internal bifolding doors rather than pocket doors.

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Wow, that is something else the size of it!

The house I was talking about up thread is going to closing on Friday. Nervous!
Its a fair bit bigger than current at around 1700 square feet. Plenty big for the two of us and the dog :D. Gardens a great size too. Only down side is the rear is north facing but the garden is so long (~50m) that you would be able to get seating areas in the sun if you lile
 
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Just received a contact to sign for the sale of our house. Any ideas if this means Im close to completion or not?

It depends on what other steps have been completed. Our solicitor sent out our contracts about 6 weeks into the process so that they had everything signed and there was no delay on our end (solicitor was a family friend). With a normal sale / purchase this would have been about 4-6 weeks before moving, in our case due to other issues down the chain it was roughly 3 months before we actually moved.

The chain is probably the most important thing. As an example; your sale and purchase can be 100% done, everyone ready to go (as it was in our case) and a few links down someone is selling a flat and needs a deed of variation added which is administered by the Land Registry - 6 week delay. Your solicitor and your estate agent may not even be aware the delay is coming.
 
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Would you guys accept the sellers word vouching for work carried out to remove an internal load bearing wall? Already gone back to them for proof/evidence of the structural planning that was undertaken, what's been put in place etc, awaiting a response...

Surveyor just mentioned it may need BCS certifying. No signs of integrity loss. Total useless survey affair.
 
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No but it should be obvious if there was an RSJ had been put in as it would be lower than the ceiling height. You might need to get a more destructive survey to check.
 
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Also anyone live in a home without a garage? Are power tools etc ok to store in a shed? I dont really need a garage just somewhere to store some tools.

Sheds are worse for tool storage than garages, but provided it's a decent shed kept in good condition, it's okay for stuff you don't care about too much and mowers, etc. that are designed for outdoor use anyway. It depends on how important your tools are to you, or how valuable they are. I would expect them to rust at the very least.
 
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Would you guys accept the sellers word vouching for work carried out to remove an internal load bearing wall? Already gone back to them for proof/evidence of the structural planning that was undertaken, what's been put in place etc, awaiting a response...

Surveyor just mentioned it may need BCS certifying. No signs of integrity loss. Total useless survey affair.

Does it have building regs approval and certificate? Check planning portal.
 
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We were going to exchange last Friday, then Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, finally looks like everyone's got their **** together for exchange Thursday, and then a lady in the chain has a seizure and is now in hospital and can't consent to exchange. Her son has power of attorney, but the contracts were written/signed in her name, so they now need to be altered for the son and for the solicitor to go over the power of attorney documents to make sure it's all correct. Now a few more days of delay. Starting to get the feeling fate is telling me no. :(

Offer was accepted on 15th July with complete chains. :(
 
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Had a surprise and searches took less than 4 weeks to come back. Expected there to be a large delay on them.

Instead mortgage is taking an age to be approved and finding availability for a building survey in a reasonable time is a nightmare!
 
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Does it have building regs approval and certificate? Check planning portal.

Nope, nothing on there. Current owners claim the original removal was done prior to them (about a large doorways worth), and their further cut-outs are based on that being sound. I'd be a lot more confident if they were able to point to the reasons why it wouldn't need to be put through regulation (assuming nothing was sought at the time) as they claim.
 
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I'm completely on the fence about pressing on or pulling out and we're now at the stage where we have to make a decision because the the sellers are receiving pressure from their onward chain. Both me and my girlfriend are completely on the fence, which to me is a bad thing, or maybe we're just too cautious?

I mentioned some of the issues earlier in the thread, but for context we had an offer accepted on a 3 bed extended semi @ £274k back in July (it was up for OIEO £280k). It became apparent that the single storey side extension (formally the garage now the kitchen) has no planning permission. We received the building survey report towards the end of October and it indicated that the extension is only built out of a single skin of brickwork, so would need to be corrected in the form of adding a second skin with suitable insulation etc. There are also some other issues, some of immediate concern with the majority kinda standard for a house of that age (1930's-1950's), which I'll summarise further down.

It turns out that the sellers also had a building survey completed 5 years ago so they knew about the issues surrounding the extension, but because it's not falling down they chose to live with it (the extension is approximately 30-40 years old). We organised for two contractors who specialise in extensions to visit the house last week, both of which said that knocking it down and rebuilding would be the best option (obviously) - this would ensure it has planning permission/approval, therefore presenting no issue when we come to sell in the future. Remedial works in terms of ripping out the kitchen, removing plaster, adding a second timber or brick skin (if the foundations support it) and changing the roof from a flat one to pitched, might be possible. However, without assessing the foundations it's hard to tell if they can support the load from a second skin and new pitched roof. Knocking it down and rebuilding is the sensible but likely more costly option.

We are still waiting for formal quotations back from the contractors, but the sellers have already offered to reduce the asking price by £24,000, which is obviously quite a significant drop. This is the maximum they can afford to reduce by in order to still afford their house in the chain.

Some of the other issues highlighted in the survey:

1. Porch flat roof has failed and has leaked in the past (minor damage to the ceiling inside) - £250-500
2. Positive damp readings on 4 walls in 3 separate rooms - 2 of which are likely to be down to the porch (as it's in the hallway next to it) and the extension (as it's in the dining area next to it) - cost unknown
3. Minor brickwork repointing works - £250-500
4. One possibly two lintel supports to the rear elevation first floor windows need replacing - £500-1000
5. Raising the existing damp proofing in multiple areas - £500-1000
6. Lifted flashing on chimney stack - £100
7. Venting and capping the dis-used chimney - £500
8. Minor corrections to guttering and introducing a new fall pipe - £200
9. Replacing the window unit in the inside porch door as the glazing has failed - unknown
10. Decorative works and upgrades to soffit boarding at eaves level - £500

There are some other minor items like a missing smoke detector, loose electrical socket, vegetation on the roof/chimney which needs removing and upgrading an overflow pipe, but all superficial or something we can sort at relatively inexpensive cost.

It ticks all of our boxes in terms of size, rooms, garden and driveway. The location and proximity to amenities/transport links/schools near enough perfect. It's also well within budget at the reduced price and because the bank valued the house at £274k, it looks like we could end up with way more equity further down the line. After a few months of keeping an eye on Rightmove we haven't seen anything that ticks all of the same boxes at the same original asking price. A couple of houses came close, but either the location was a bit off or something else wasn't right.

The showstopper is obviously the extension and to a lesser extent the damp. The other issues add up to a few grand but I feel the majority of them are non-immediate in nature and should be expected with a house of this age. It's looking like the reduction will cover the extension and go some way to the other issues. We'll have around £11k extra liquid cash in the bank as a result of the changes to the mortgage deal, which will go some way to covering the issues and a big chunk of the extension, but we'll need to save, remortgage or take out a loan in the future to cover the rest.

The extension is a big task to take on for a first time buyer, but the net effect is that we'll end up with a new extension built to modern standards with a kitchen designed exactly how we want. It's a downside of the house that can be resolved by throwing money at it.

I honestly don't know what to do.

Floor plan:

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If the extension comes down, is there a risk that you wouldn't get planning permission to do it properly? How important is it to your requirements on the house? It's one thing buying a place that needs a bit of work doing on your list, IMO those are items for houses that just need maintanance. An extension is a pretty substantial thing however...

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If the extension comes down, is there a risk that you wouldn't get planning permission to do it properly?

I don't believe so. The second contractor that visited already had a conversation with building control prior to visiting, so I'm fairly confident that it would all go through successfully. It would also be a condition of the works - up to standard with proper permission and completition certificates, otherwise we don't go ahead with it.

I can see on the planning portal that 3-4 other houses on the same street have had permission granted for single storey extensions/garage conversions in the last 3 years, so it seems a common theme for houses on this street.

How important is it to your requirements on the house? It's one thing buying a place that needs a bit of work doing on your list, IMO those are items for houses that just need maintanance. An extension is a pretty substantial thing however...

A house with an extension is not a requirement at all, it's just that this house which does meet our requirements has an extension. If you remove the extension the house has no kitchen, so it has to remain.

What you just said is ultimately the crux of the issue. It's a big piece of work to take on, something that we'll have to save for (probably 12 months minimum) or take out a small home improvement loan, but it will yield benefits in the long-term.

I wouldn’t go ahead of your not willing to get the work done as soon as you can. You’ll just have the same issues next time.

If we buy the house we have to get the work done for that exact reason. Buying the house and not doing the work is not an option.
 
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