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Why are you surprised. I only cancelled the one I ordered on launch day recently and that probably would not have arrived until December the earliest.September?
I wonder if his one is an ASUS also. Lol
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OLED negating the need for high refresh rate monitors?
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I wonder if his one is an ASUS also. Lol
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Why's they a differen e in processing time between 4k and not 4k?
I'm sure many more of us would already have OLED if it wasn't for screen burn...The truth is that OLED's have 0.1ms pixel response time and LCD can't touch that - the absolute best of the best LCD gaming monitors come in at 2-3ms and the average gaming monitor is more like 6-10ms.
Because of that, the OLED will always produce a cleaner image with greater clarity which makes it easier to spot targets in a competitive fast paced game.
OLED TVs do have more input lag though but its still very low (as low as 4ms at 120hz 1440p)
Once we get OLED monitors with all the post processing turned off that TVs use, it's game over for LCD.
At the end of the day LCD can't match this, its simply impossible - which image would you prefer to play your multiplayer game on?
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That applies equally to people who play a lot of the same game (and hence have the same UI on the screen) as it does to productivity work, as I mentioned earlier.
I.e. if you're playing WoW in 8 hour sessions (or any other game in long sessions).
Otherwise there's pretty much no downside to the tech already. I'd have one for sure. But screen burn issues are stopping me.
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screen burn and price!
Without the issues, it's probably worth the cost tho, as a "once in a blue moon" purchase that you expect to last a good 6-8 years (well, I would expect that
)As it is I'm considering pulling the trigger on the 27GL850, knowing that I might end up being unhappy with it as early as next year, when better LCD panels come out.
Although it's a good monitor, it's not great. And put it next to OLED it's just plain poor, lol.
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Why isn't screen burn mentioned as a concern on lounge TVs with a Console displaying a static overlay for hours on end?
It's an issue if it's the same UI in the same place for multiple hours day after day.
I imagine that's not the case for most lounge TVs, even with console gaming in the mix.
But when you move to desktop usage, Windows etc, that very much is the case. Unless it's a 2nd screen as a dedicated gaming monitor and never used for general Windows stuff.
As usual it entirely depends on what your usage of the thing will be.
But there are plenty of warnings about using OLED as a monitor. And very few people doing so
20/7 Burn-In Test: OLED vs LCD VA vs LCD IPS - RTINGS.com
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Input lag comes from some processing step. Fewer pixels to process at 1440p.
Most gaming monitors don't do any processing, or allow to turn it off.
To be fair, 10 ms is still acceptable as far as lag goes. Only becomes noticeable at 20, annoying at 40ms.
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Except this is OCUK, where arguments matter!
Having now had a 65” C9 for a few months I wonder if I could have got away with the 75” model...
You'd get that 75". Then've wondered on the 80/85".
I had a 65, then a 77.........struggling to convince 'better half' it would look more like a cinema at 85. Reckon they'll be some deals about black friday or maybe January will be good for consumers, seeing as JAn sales seemed to move to black friday. Jan sales the past couple of years at least, have been rubbish.
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But surely it's still processing 4k pixels as that's the size of the screen, I'd have thought its the upscaling that's introducing it.
120hz on oled is great. Ever since lcd took over from crt, I have always missed the motion clarity and black levels of crt. 120hz oled is the first screen since that has met my expectation. Black level even better. I use a 165hz lcd for comparison.
I'd say the jump to Oled from an decent lcd, is the biggest jump in pq I've had in a TV upgrade.
However, it isn't perfect. Most screens show some form of banding at around 5% black. Kind of panel lottery. I don't notice it in content and I'm quite ocd about pq.
Also, vrr brings a slight pq downgrade. It's not huge, many don't notice. Frames at 60fps have a raised near black gamma that slightly washes out the picture, 120fps it is perfect, so depending on your frames depends on how much gamma shift there is.
If you have never had oled before I doubt you would notice the raised gamma, because the near black when raised will still be lower than an lcd
My first screen is now about 3-4 years old, no burn in. Was used for gaming but I tend to play a variety of games. Tbh, if I had burn in, i think it would be hard not to get another because the pq is that much better.
I have to mention that I view and game in a pitch black room. This is were the screen excels. In a room with lights on or direct sunlight, the screen especially in hdr will be too dim and they wouldn't have the same positive review as me
I'd say the jump to Oled from an decent lcd, is the biggest jump in pq I've had in a TV upgrade.
However, it isn't perfect. Most screens show some form of banding at around 5% black. Kind of panel lottery. I don't notice it in content and I'm quite ocd about pq.
Also, vrr brings a slight pq downgrade. It's not huge, many don't notice. Frames at 60fps have a raised near black gamma that slightly washes out the picture, 120fps it is perfect, so depending on your frames depends on how much gamma shift there is.
If you have never had oled before I doubt you would notice the raised gamma, because the near black when raised will still be lower than an lcd
My first screen is now about 3-4 years old, no burn in. Was used for gaming but I tend to play a variety of games. Tbh, if I had burn in, i think it would be hard not to get another because the pq is that much better.
I have to mention that I view and game in a pitch black room. This is were the screen excels. In a room with lights on or direct sunlight, the screen especially in hdr will be too dim and they wouldn't have the same positive review as me
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As well as being organic so you tend to get more dead pixels/sub pixels vs generic LCD.
Other than that everything tends to be far better than LCD other than generic OLED flaws such as banding/tint/vignetting but these generally tend to be quite minor.
I’ve seen many expensive monitors and TV’s and none really come close to OLED picture quality IMO. Gaming is on another level.
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Once I can get a monitor that is:
34" 6880 x 2880, 21:9, 1800R, OLED without burn in issue @240hz, HDR10 with 4 USB pass-through, vesa 100 mount and it come professionally calibrated out the box I'd be willing to pay £1k for it.
Until then I'm dropping closer to £400-£500 on something as a compromise.
34" 6880 x 2880, 21:9, 1800R, OLED without burn in issue @240hz, HDR10 with 4 USB pass-through, vesa 100 mount and it come professionally calibrated out the box I'd be willing to pay £1k for it.
Until then I'm dropping closer to £400-£500 on something as a compromise.
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120hz on oled is great. Ever since lcd took over from crt, I have always missed the motion clarity and black levels of crt. 120hz oled is the first screen since that has met my expectation. Black level even better. I use a 165hz lcd for comparison.
I'd say the jump to Oled from an decent lcd, is the biggest jump in pq I've had in a TV upgrade.
However, it isn't perfect. Most screens show some form of banding at around 5% black. Kind of panel lottery. I don't notice it in content and I'm quite ocd about pq.
Also, vrr brings a slight pq downgrade. It's not huge, many don't notice. Frames at 60fps have a raised near black gamma that slightly washes out the picture, 120fps it is perfect, so depending on your frames depends on how much gamma shift there is.
If you have never had oled before I doubt you would notice the raised gamma, because the near black when raised will still be lower than an lcd
My first screen is now about 3-4 years old, no burn in. Was used for gaming but I tend to play a variety of games. Tbh, if I had burn in, i think it would be hard not to get another because the pq is that much better.
I have to mention that I view and game in a pitch black room. This is were the screen excels. In a room with lights on or direct sunlight, the screen especially in hdr will be too dim and they wouldn't have the same positive review as me
Not true, you'd have to be in a room at night with max cranked out lights for it to look dim. Most people have lamps on or dimmer lights in their living rooms. Their rooms aren't drenched in light.
As for sunlight, any tv will look dull in sunlight.
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This is exactly how I use mine. I have an LCD screen on the desk for productivity and the OLED is wall mounted and purely for gaming/TV/Netflix. I've actually done a ghetto mod to a musical keyboard stand to create a makeshift desk for K&M gaming. 120Hz @4k with Gsync on an OLED is the best you can get for image quality IMO. However, I couldn't bear to use it for desktop functionality.
If you want to go OLED, my advice is retain your LCD screen and stick the OLED on the wall. Oh, and make sure you have a GPU that will do Gsync or AMD equivalent.
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Linus Tech tips and The Good Old Gamer have videos up which make for interesting viewing
OLED + Ryzen 3100/b450mobo/3600cpu + 2070/5700 gpu = smoother more clarity gaming experience than a mad expensive high end rig (3080/6800) + 360Hz monitor?
Anyone got an OLED they game on, that can confirm this? This could be a huge shift away from the mindset of needing a crazy high end refresh rate monitor setup and expensive GPU?
GOOD OLD GAMER
https://youtu.be/FGmY5vvhtAA
LINUS TECH
https://youtu.be/x9n8Hz_RLqw
The price of OLEDs though
Id rather game at 60Hz on my OLED compared to 144Hz on my IPS