Dogs off a leash in parks

[Nasher]

The law will side with the complainer when it comes to dogs. If it knocks someone over, nips them, or harasses someone and they call the police you will have big problems.

 

[mattyg]

Tbh the law states something like if a dog even makes people think they may have an issue, the dog is an out of control dangerous dog.

Owners need to keep dogs tightly controlled, but sadly a lot don't.

I don't think that's true and if it is its not implemented.

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It is true but sadly hard to implement with the underfunded system

https://www.gov.uk/control-dog-public

 

[Cavallino]

Incredible, just reading that link.

Your dog is considered dangerously out of control if it:

• injures someone
• makes someone worried that it might injure them

If you allow your dog to kill someone you can be sent to prison for up to 14 years or get an unlimited fine (or both).
If you allow your dog to injure an assistance dog (for example a guide dog) you can be sent to prison for up to 3 years or fined (or both).

Its funny someone mentioned earlier that a child can grow up to be a rapist or serial murder etc.
God forbid they do become such, at least you are not responsible/accoutable for their actions.

Unlike the above.

 

[Ayahuasca]

Some people are always worried that dogs are going to attack, it’s a fear they’ve had since being a child.

I guess the solution for them is to either never leave the house or just report every dog off the lead as a potential injury concern.

If your dog bites another person or dog without being provoked, then it should absolutely be put down and the owner should face legal action.

 

[Semple]

This is exactly what I meant when I asked the question earlier on. reference owners who think their dogs "wont hurt".
Their definition of "hurt" is very broad.
How am I or my child able to differentiate if a dog running at us at Mach 6, is simply excited or is genuinely hellbent on tearing us limb from limb?
My perception/understanding could be different to the owners. Especially for people who are not familiar with owning pets.

Agreed, and that doesn't apply to just children. You always hear stories of dog attacks another dog just because it was in the same park. So we get the same nervousness feelings you do when we see another dog running towards ours. 9 times out of 10 they are just a friendly dog being curious/coming to say hello, but it's just that one time where a dog might just do something unexpected.

We almost experienced this during the summer, we were walking in a huge open field, we did have ours off the lead (was probably the last time actually). Anyway an owner with their cockapoo were walking probably a good 150-200 yards away, and suddenly his cockapoo started running for ours, it clearly wasn't a friendly greeting and he almost went for our little boys neck. Thankfully our boy is very quick and managed to outrun the cockapoo. The owner was absolutely oblivious, didn't try and get his dog, and not a single apology. Whilst thankfully nothing happened, we always apologise to people if our dog barks at them for no reason.

 

[ttaskmaster]

We have had a dog for a few months now, a rescue collie, it feels like there isn't enough information out there for how owners should behave with their dog, when do you let the dog off, what is the etiquette when another dog walker has theirs on lead?

Easy - If you're going to walk past or close by and they have theirs on lead, you put yours on, too.

Or complaining about children taking a dump in the grass patch and leaving it or not picking it up.

Depends whereabouts you live... Some places are like that even before the ****** show up.

I'd disagree. Some dog breeds are by instinct very aggressive and it takes someone who really knows what they are doing to train them properly. Rottweilers is an example.

LOL.... You obviously have something against Rotties.

"The Rottweiler is good-natured, placid in basic disposition, very devoted, obedient, biddable and eager to work. His appearance is natural and rustic, his behaviour self-assured, steady and fearless. He reacts to his surroundings with great alertness and at the same time even-tempered".
https://puffandfluffspa.com/top-6-common-myths-about-rottweilers/

Who pays for all this though? Proper regulation of the whole breeding industry and ownership is required. To own a dog you should require a license which costs say £300 a year. For that your dog gets tested every 6 months to ensure its being looked after properly and isn't a danger to society. Breeders should require much more expensive licenses and they also require to be inspected every 6 months at random to make sure they aren't doing anything dodgy.

Reputable breeders already have plenty of hoops to jump through, but they aren't the problem - It's the illegal puppy farms. Staffies, for example, had all traces of aggression bred out of them for many decades (possibly even centuries), yet the recent spate of attacks by Staffie-like dogs has generally been the result of these backstreet breeders crossing Staffies with aggressive breeds, primarily to develop fighting dogs - They're basically undoing everythng that made the breed such a good dog in the first place.

But then, back in my day, we were actually taught in schools about all kinds of domesticated animals and how to behave around them.

 

[Efour]

I've had dogs growing up - Mongrel Tramp dog and a Labrador...

BUT... Some dogs are more dangerous than others. Just because "you" had or have had X breed and it was a "real softy" "good as gold" insert cliche nonsense dog owners always say, doesnt mean others don't.

Its like terrorism lol, but the dogs of peace are Pitbulls and Am Staffs. Its rarely the Golden retriever of jainism or Labrador of Buddhism.

I just wrote that cos it made me laugh and was very GD.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Easy - If you're going to walk past or close by and they have theirs on lead, you put yours on, too.


Depends whereabouts you live... Some places are like that even before the ****** show up.


LOL.... You obviously have something against Rotties.

"The Rottweiler is good-natured, placid in basic disposition, very devoted, obedient, biddable and eager to work. His appearance is natural and rustic, his behaviour self-assured, steady and fearless. He reacts to his surroundings with great alertness and at the same time even-tempered".
https://puffandfluffspa.com/top-6-common-myths-about-rottweilers/


Reputable breeders already have plenty of hoops to jump through, but they aren't the problem - It's the illegal puppy farms. Staffies, for example, had all traces of aggression bred out of them for many decades (possibly even centuries), yet the recent spate of attacks by Staffie-like dogs has generally been the result of these backstreet breeders crossing Staffies with aggressive breeds, primarily to develop fighting dogs - They're basically undoing everythng that made the breed such a good dog in the first place.

But then, back in my day, we were actually taught in schools about all kinds of domesticated animals and how to behave around them.

It's the one I have had to report and had a terrible experience with.

I can also Google plenty of sources that state rottweilers need social integration from an early age otherwise they are aggressive to everyone apart from their owners.

So I disagree that they are fine and completely docile.

They were bred to pull carts full of meat for butchers. They are massive, heavy extremely strong and aggressive. Make gr at guard dogs and without proper integration and training are killers.

 

[Terminal_Boy]

I’m for muzzling and leashing both dogs and children in public parks.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

I guess the solution for them is to either never leave the house or just report every dog off the lead as a potential injury concern.

That's what I do in areas where it states dogs must be on a lead (which is nearly every public space round here including most sections of beach). We even have an app where you can take a photo and submit it, like pot hole reporting.

 

[Cavallino]

We even have an app where you can take a photo and submit it, like pot hole reporting.

Really? Please can you link?

Im really surprised I havent heard about this or dog owners making noise about such an app?

 

[200sols]

That's what I do

You report every dog as a potential injury concern?

 

[neilw]

I think you should have to have a licence or register it to have a dog. You'd have to have the dog chipped and DNA tested at the owners expenses. Any mess found could then be DNA checked and the owners fined. No idea how feasible this would be!

Leads for all dogs in public is probably a good idea too, unfortunately this would be detrimental to the well behaved dogs out there. It's probably the poop that's getting done while dogs are off the lead that's not getting picked up, when the owner can't find it.

Often in the New forest I'll se bags of mess hung up in trees, sometimes I guess people will collect it on the way back from there walk. But quite often it'll be stuck up there for weeks, it which case it would have been better if they'd just left it on the ground to decompose, without the plastic bag.

 

[Cavallino]

Are there any REALLY REALLY long leashes to allow the dog to run for 10s (hundred?) of meteres? and the owner could press a button to stop them or reel them in at the press of a button?

 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

I think you should have to have a licence or register it to have a dog. You'd have to have the dog chipped and DNA tested at the owners expenses. Any mess found could then be DNA checked and the owners fined. No idea how feasible this would be!

Leads for all dogs in public is probably a good idea too, unfortunately this would be detrimental to the well behaved dogs out there. It's probably the poop that's getting done while dogs are off the lead that's not getting picked up, when the owner can't find it.

Often in the New forest I'll se bags of mess hung up in trees, sometimes I guess people will collect it on the way back from there walk. But quite often it'll be stuck up there for weeks, it which case it would have been better if they'd just left it on the ground to decompose, without the plastic bag.

All dogs are chipped so they're traceable, not DNA though that's not going to happen. We haven't managed to train humans to put their own rubbish in the bins provided or make that traceable which is a far worse problem so tracing dog **** isn't happening

Sadly there's lots of things crap dog owners do that irritate other dog owners, hanging full dog poo bags from trees is definitely up there.

 

[moon man]

Often in the New forest I'll se bags of mess hung up in trees, sometimes I guess people will collect it on the way back from there walk. But quite often it'll be stuck up there for weeks, it which case it would have been better if they'd just left it on the ground to decompose, without the plastic bag.

Get this on the beaches, selfish scumbags who wrap their dog poo up in plastic when been observed, then dump it later

 

[Pipe & Slippers]

We almost experienced this during the summer, we were walking in a huge open field, we did have ours off the lead (was probably the last time actually). Anyway an owner with their cockapoo were walking probably a good 150-200 yards away, and suddenly his cockapoo started running for ours, it clearly wasn't a friendly greeting and he almost went for our little boys neck

My previous OH had dogs, the oldest of which was a large border collie around 9 years old. Soppiest thing you'd ever met. I'd known him for around 5 years. Quiet, non-aggressive and obedient. Never had issues, or any interest at all, with other dogs. Took them for a walk one day at a usual haunt. He looks up, sees a dog around 150 meters away, and took off like a rocket. No amount of calling etc stopped him and he went piling into the target dog and started trying to rip it apart. The moment he took off we knew something was wrong and started running. Because of the distance it took us quite a while to get to the incident, by which time the other dogs owners were unsurprisingly exhausted with trying to separate the dogs. Collectively, we eventually separated them. Lots of tears from the women, anger from the men. All the while my OH is saying " he wouldn't hurt anyone", and I'm thinking, what if it had been a kid. He lived almost another 6 years and never exhibited behaviour anything like that again. Bizarre

The point I'm trying to make is that even the most socialised, calm and obedient dogs can do the unexpected

 

[builder22]

Are there any REALLY REALLY long leashes to allow the dog to run for 10s (hundred?) of meteres? and the owner could press a button to stop them or reel them in at the press of a button?

aye...pretty much exact thing you describe exists....flexilead think it’s called

 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

I don't think that's true and if it is its not implemented.

I had to report an extremely dangerous bunch of rottweilers. The breeder was keeping them in 2 large cages in his back garden. He then had a metal fence going from one side of the garden to the other effectively a bigger cage which was 80% of his back garden. He would let them out of the smaller cages into the bigger area and that was it. No social interaction, no playing with them, no real care. He just fed them, swore at them and kept them in cages.

It was great he had a metal fence protecting his own home and family from them. The other 3 sides cheap wooden panels which they tore through on several occasions or battered down.

They were trying to attack other neighboring dogs out in their gardens.

They also attacked the breeders dad when he came round to speak with his son or do something in the garden.

These were literally killer dogs. When I reported them and the fact they had attacked people and destroyed fences and were trying to get at other dogs the inspector was more worried about the dogs health and safety than that of its victims and potential victims.

He didn't like the fact they were being kept in cages outdoors 24/7, 365 days a year. With just the basics.

What I was worried about was if those killers tore through the fence again and mauled a child to death.

You couldn't have company over the dogs would start barking like mad and ramming the fence and trying to climb it. Until the owner came out and swore at them and put them back in their smaller cages.

I'm sure that there are good owners out there but it only takes one bad breeder or owner and you have a large issue on your hands. It's disgusting that there is no proper policing or regulation.

All the people here comparing dogs to kids are hilarious. I'd like to see them as a child Vs a killer rottweiler and see how that goes. Only one is going to cause serious harm, pain and death.

It's the one I have had to report and had a terrible experience with.

I can also Google plenty of sources that state rottweilers need social integration from an early age otherwise they are aggressive to everyone apart from their owners.

So I disagree that they are fine and completely docile.

They were bred to pull carts full of meat for butchers. They are massive, heavy extremely strong and aggressive. Make gr at guard dogs and without proper integration and training are killers.

He's not a breeder he's an animal and shouldn't be allowed to own any breed of dog.

Rottweilers, pitbulls, staffies and others all have a bad reputation, not because of the breeds but because of a few owners. The bloke you've posted about is a prime example, his dogs are ferral and will need to be put down and he needs banning from any future dog ownership, but if you put any breed of dog through the same upbringing then you're going to have problems with them.

Saying they are all aggressive breeds though is simply not true, that's trained in to them either through mistreatment or by design.

 

[cadmunkey]

Lol at all the dog haters in this thread. A rambler walking past me when my dog was on lead kicked her for no reason once, it didn't end well for him.
Don't get me wrong, I come across the odd irresponsible dog owner on my walks and they get told, but please don't tar us all with the same brush. All this talk of kicking dogs is well out of order. I'm glad I live near plenty of countryside and don't have to share any parks with you miserable ****'s!