largest order in the world , question is who will be first to fly on the 737 max
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-boeing-737max-ryanair-idUKKBN28D26L
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-boeing-737max-ryanair-idUKKBN28D26L
Ryanair buys 75 737 Max
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Soldato
So what makes this plane worth the risk to these airlines? How much more efficient is it than the equivalent airbus?
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The bought them in a 2 for 1 black friday sale.....No one want to fly on them, given they've killed a fair few hundred people.
Commissario
it's been recertified now after eighteen months of works. I'd get on one tomorrow without a second thought.
Commissario
It's not that it's more efficient, it's that it doesn't require much training for the pilots who were certified on the older 737's.
Basically it saved a fair bit in training money for the airlines, as moving to a different airframe requires specific training, as does moving to newer versions of the same airframe which are materially different in the controls or handling, by using the loopholes in the regs Boeing managed to get the FAA to sign off on pilots moving to the new version with just a few hours of classroom familiarisation (IIRC one of the deals boeing signed offered up to a million per pilot if additional training was required).
Soldato
The 737 max is the least of your worries when flying with scum air.
Shame it couldn't have been reviewed, re-reviewed and triple checked before plummeting to the ground, huh? (Twice.)
Soldato
Gotta get them scratch cards tho.
Have to agree with that, I only flew with Ryanair on two round trips, the second time because I thought that surely I was just unlucky the first time, sadly I was wrong.
Associate
RIP.
Yeah but unfortunately that meant that the pilots weren't prepared for the new feature where the planes flew themselves into the ground.
From what i have read only the FAA have certified this (US regulator who were lapse in the thorough certification or as mentioned in collusion with Boeing). The EASA (European regulator) has yet to approve the 737 Max before it fly's in European airspace , says January 2021 on this report. https://www.easa.europa.eu/newsroom-and-events/press-releases/easa-lays-out-its-proposed-conditions-return-service-boeing-737
Commissario
Yup.
Saving some money on pilot training in regards to a feature that they barely knew about (if at all), that could push the nose down is not a great idea.
I'm still not a fan of the workaround where they've now got both of the atitude sensors in use but no third, just a "disagree" indicator, as IIRC it's been standard since not long after the advent of the electronic controls/assistance in cockpits of passenger aircraft to have any automatic system triplicated specifically so that the automatic system can take action based on the majority verdict whilst giving a warning (I seem to remember that came about due to some nasty crashes).
I've said it many times, but the 737 max seems to have been designed whilst ignoring a lot of very painful lessons from previous crashes in order to save money.
It's probably safe(r) now but i'm not a fan of aircraft where the philosophy of the design/production was to penny pinch and cut corners IIRC there were (not sure if they fixed them) other issues with things that were grandfathered in but wouldn't have met 90's standards otherwise.
i flew home once with them from a stag do, i was fairly suprised. Wasnt as bad as i was expecting. the bright yellow didnt help the hangover though.
Even though i had an ok-ish experience, they're way down at the bottom of the list of airlines id use.
Man of Honour
No chance, I'll give it a couple years before setting foot on one.
Soldato
The newly recertified 737 Max wouldn't phase me, but there's no way in hell that I'd ever board a plane that has 'Ryanair' on the side.