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Kelpian Hulk Smash gets 10/10 from me.
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Decent episode with a nice easter egg in there, is there a date for the S31 show?
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This series is very quickly becoming utter tripe. It started out really well, but damn! Some very weak story lines going on as of late. It seems like we used up all the story ideas and CGI budget out on that first episode of season 3. The tank is now running empty.
Cannot stand Georgiou. I get she's supposed to be like that, but every time she's on screen it is just empty and wasted time. I don't care about her.
As for the non-binary stuff.. yeah, in this instance it actually does makes sense as a trill.
But I am just done with this series. Fair enough if you like it. I'm not hanging out to watch more.
Cannot stand Georgiou. I get she's supposed to be like that, but every time she's on screen it is just empty and wasted time. I don't care about her.
As for the non-binary stuff.. yeah, in this instance it actually does makes sense as a trill.
But I am just done with this series. Fair enough if you like it. I'm not hanging out to watch more.
Soldato
What a frustrating episode this week.
I thought it was a good episode, but Tilly is not a No1, never mind Captain - it's like a dad bringing their kid to work day, "Have a sit in the Captains chair, but ffs don't touch anything".
Even given the lines, she still came across as a angst teenager as oppose to a seasoned captain with gravitas.
Also Osira - crap villain too - where do they get these actresses? Felt more like a playground spat when they faced off at one another as oppose to Kirk/Khan scenario
Even given the lines, she still came across as a angst teenager as oppose to a seasoned captain with gravitas.
Also Osira - crap villain too - where do they get these actresses? Felt more like a playground spat when they faced off at one another as oppose to Kirk/Khan scenario
She handled herself well and grew in character, but not as a Captain, more like standing up to playground bullies. No 1 or any of the Bridge crew should and can step us as Acting Captain, Tilly may pay off, but she is a gamble, especially when there are more seasoned and experienced officers available. Maybe Tilly is a weak actress, but she still sounded like a scared teenager, especially compared to others who have had to step up:
https://youtu.be/go-ol3uHUuY?t=103
Spock, Riker, Una, etc and then Tilly GTFO.
"Spock defines what it meant to be a First Officer, cool, logical with an ability for cunning and penchant for Command" - Tilly is still learning these traits and so she has jumped too far and too quickly.
https://youtu.be/go-ol3uHUuY?t=103
Spock, Riker, Una, etc and then Tilly GTFO.
"Spock defines what it meant to be a First Officer, cool, logical with an ability for cunning and penchant for Command" - Tilly is still learning these traits and so she has jumped too far and too quickly.
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Soldato
I was thinking of doing my usual reaction to tomorrow's episode and the previous one in one go. But I decided that subjecting myself to two episodes of this dreck in such quick succession might be fatal, so here we go with the last episode.
3x11 - Su'Kal
3x11 - Su'Kal
1) Have I mentioned before that I don't think the premise for this season - that a century ago all the dilithium (apart from some of the dilithium, apparently) "went inert", the Federation fell, the Romulans forgot that they had quantum singularity cores powering their ships and the Klingons just plain vanished - makes a shred of sense?
2) Because it doesn't. At all.
3) SMG just as lousy in flashback as she is in the episodes.
4) Foreshadowing.
5) "To Phillipa!"
6) Yet more 'band of brothers' scenes from right outta nowhere before this season.
7) Well, at least Stamets isn't doing a stereotypical 'slightly catty gay man' reaction to Gray's reappearance in Adira Tal's head OH WAIT.
8) Someone is alive on the Kelpian ship in the nebula (DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNN).
9) And an explanation of the forehead markings from Saru - Issa was pregnant (DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNN).
10) "Quick, SMG, do that 'oh my God' face!"
11) Space lightning in the nebula. Wrath of Khan already did that, better.
12) Sorry, gotta pause it there. "The crash site is 200 kilometres into the nebula"...say what? 200 kilometres is barely a sneeze in the Trek universe. They could yank it out of there with a tractor beam! You're telling me that this ship was just 200km inside that nebula all this time and no-one fished it out before now???
13) Saru not giving the order to raise shields until the ship was already headed into the nebula seems...negligent, to say the least. Still, no harm done.
14) I'm not sure ionising radiation would make the Spark Generator™ on the bridge kick into life really, but what the hell.
15) I expect this is supposed to be exciting.
16) Book coming in with a plan at about half past useful. But let's just be glad he got there in the end.
17) VFX team earning their corn again this week.
18) Book's ship has a spark generator as well, which is also activated by the ionising radiation.
19) Oh, the excitement. Oh, the jeopardy.
20) Oh, the boredom.
21) Careful now Saru. Burnham's already acted against your explicit orders before in this season. Now you've gotten her boyfriend irradiated, she's likely to come at you with a phaser if he's no longer available for Sexy Times™.
22) "I think we may have just found the source of the Burn." I thought they'd already worked out that this was the source?
23) Exposition.
24) Yeah, that's about in keeping with the (exceedingly dumb) level of Osyraa's previous plan to lure the Discoball into a trap.
25) Tilly with a keen grasp of the obvious.
26) At least Grudge is on screen now. Episode just improved, markedly.
27) Witless dialogue.
28) "I'm not sure he can be objective." Excuse me while I laugh my spleen right off of it's mountings at Burnham, of all people, saying that.
29) Witless dialogue continues unabated.
30) As does the whispering from SMG.
31) A pretty realistic reaction from Stamets at Culber being on the away team going into the radiation.
32) Reassurance from Culber.
33) Oh lord, a pep talk from Burnham to Tilly. Just what this episode wanted.
34) *so much strangled screaming*
35) I really could do with this scene being over.
36) STOP ******* WHISPERING YOU USELESS BINT!!!
37) Ticking clock.
38) Um...what???
39) Doug Jones getting to spend some time out of makeup this episode. But still...what???
40) On the plus side, not boring. Downside, confusing and irritating in equal measure.
41) Back to the ticking clock.
42) 'Weird for the sake of it' should have gone out of fashion in TV by now.
43) Nope, I was wrong at 40). Bored.
44) Extremely bored.
45) Pixar does this stuff a lot better. So did Red Dwarf ("Terrorform").
46) Cool, split up. Great idea.
47) Federation ship approaching. It isn't, of course. It's actually Osyraa, and the plot is leading up her arrival being some kind of twist from right out of left field and not at all foreseen by every single person watching.
48) This script needed strangling at birth.
49) Bored. Bored. Bored. Bored.
50) Attempt at...who knows. I've got no idea what this episode is even going for here.
51) Meanwhile, Starfleet's least intelligent crew ever (and I'm including the cadets in that DS9 episode that attacked a Dominion battleship with a single Defiant-class escort in that) ponders on the arriving ship.
52) The plot is walking into itself with an audible clang.
53) Heeeeeeeeeeeeere's Osyraa.
54) *rubs temples* This episode is giving me such a headache.
55) They have a cloak. Guess the Treaty of Algeron no longer exists.
56) Oh, what a shame. Burnham is still alive.
57) But she's found the Kelpian.
58) Burnham as a teacher of the dynamics of social interaction. Do me a lemon...
59) Something that passes for exposition.
60) Episode title getting namedropped.
61) The exposition dump continues.
62) Radiation tolerance is about used up.
63) The totems by the entrance were indeed plot-relevant.
64) Discoball crew continues to be just as thick as the plot demands them to be.
65) Incredibly witless dialogue, murdered even further by Janet Kidder's Osyraa.
66) "Okay, we'll skip Freud." I don't get how these writers continually produce absolute hot trash but then pepper it with the occasional amusing bit like that. I wonder if it was a Mary Wiseman ad-lib that got chucked in?
67) Tilly making herself a hostage to fortune with this grand speech.
68) Saru and Culber have made it back to Burnham and Su'Kal.
69) Another week with no '69' references. This series must have finally broken that.
70) *rubs temples some more* Okay. I get that Su'Kal is afraid and that's why he's stuck in this programmed environment. But nothing else at all is making sense. His fear is powerful enough to blow a shockwave out of the nebula and fritz up the Discoball's cloak?
71) The Burn in miniature (and slow motion), perhaps?
72) After all that wanging on the series has done about finding Book a place on the Discoball, this new role he's playing as scout/ranger seems to have been settled on.
73) Tal plotting something that requires a comm badge.
74) Kelpian lullabies seem to be the Chekhov's Gun this season.
75) Back to the witless dialogue.
76) So, did Su'Kal genuinely cause the Burn?
77) Is it me, or has this episode absolutely ground to a halt?
78) Tal running with the first genuinely intelligent plan I've seen for a hot minute.
79) So much for blowing up the Discoball rather than letting it fall into enemy hands.
80) Stamets getting mind-controlled.
81) And now Osyraa has the bridge. This week's epic failure is complete.
82) Witless dialogue continues to be witless.
83) Well, thank God that's over.
84) "Next time..."
2) Because it doesn't. At all.
3) SMG just as lousy in flashback as she is in the episodes.
4) Foreshadowing.
5) "To Phillipa!"
6) Yet more 'band of brothers' scenes from right outta nowhere before this season.
7) Well, at least Stamets isn't doing a stereotypical 'slightly catty gay man' reaction to Gray's reappearance in Adira Tal's head OH WAIT.
8) Someone is alive on the Kelpian ship in the nebula (DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNN).
9) And an explanation of the forehead markings from Saru - Issa was pregnant (DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNN).
10) "Quick, SMG, do that 'oh my God' face!"
11) Space lightning in the nebula. Wrath of Khan already did that, better.
12) Sorry, gotta pause it there. "The crash site is 200 kilometres into the nebula"...say what? 200 kilometres is barely a sneeze in the Trek universe. They could yank it out of there with a tractor beam! You're telling me that this ship was just 200km inside that nebula all this time and no-one fished it out before now???
13) Saru not giving the order to raise shields until the ship was already headed into the nebula seems...negligent, to say the least. Still, no harm done.
14) I'm not sure ionising radiation would make the Spark Generator™ on the bridge kick into life really, but what the hell.
15) I expect this is supposed to be exciting.
16) Book coming in with a plan at about half past useful. But let's just be glad he got there in the end.
17) VFX team earning their corn again this week.
18) Book's ship has a spark generator as well, which is also activated by the ionising radiation.
19) Oh, the excitement. Oh, the jeopardy.
20) Oh, the boredom.
21) Careful now Saru. Burnham's already acted against your explicit orders before in this season. Now you've gotten her boyfriend irradiated, she's likely to come at you with a phaser if he's no longer available for Sexy Times™.
22) "I think we may have just found the source of the Burn." I thought they'd already worked out that this was the source?
23) Exposition.
24) Yeah, that's about in keeping with the (exceedingly dumb) level of Osyraa's previous plan to lure the Discoball into a trap.
25) Tilly with a keen grasp of the obvious.
26) At least Grudge is on screen now. Episode just improved, markedly.
27) Witless dialogue.
28) "I'm not sure he can be objective." Excuse me while I laugh my spleen right off of it's mountings at Burnham, of all people, saying that.
29) Witless dialogue continues unabated.
30) As does the whispering from SMG.
31) A pretty realistic reaction from Stamets at Culber being on the away team going into the radiation.
32) Reassurance from Culber.
33) Oh lord, a pep talk from Burnham to Tilly. Just what this episode wanted.
34) *so much strangled screaming*
35) I really could do with this scene being over.
36) STOP ******* WHISPERING YOU USELESS BINT!!!
37) Ticking clock.
38) Um...what???
39) Doug Jones getting to spend some time out of makeup this episode. But still...what???
40) On the plus side, not boring. Downside, confusing and irritating in equal measure.
41) Back to the ticking clock.
42) 'Weird for the sake of it' should have gone out of fashion in TV by now.
43) Nope, I was wrong at 40). Bored.
44) Extremely bored.
45) Pixar does this stuff a lot better. So did Red Dwarf ("Terrorform").
46) Cool, split up. Great idea.
47) Federation ship approaching. It isn't, of course. It's actually Osyraa, and the plot is leading up her arrival being some kind of twist from right out of left field and not at all foreseen by every single person watching.
48) This script needed strangling at birth.
49) Bored. Bored. Bored. Bored.
50) Attempt at...who knows. I've got no idea what this episode is even going for here.
51) Meanwhile, Starfleet's least intelligent crew ever (and I'm including the cadets in that DS9 episode that attacked a Dominion battleship with a single Defiant-class escort in that) ponders on the arriving ship.
52) The plot is walking into itself with an audible clang.
53) Heeeeeeeeeeeeere's Osyraa.
54) *rubs temples* This episode is giving me such a headache.
55) They have a cloak. Guess the Treaty of Algeron no longer exists.
56) Oh, what a shame. Burnham is still alive.
57) But she's found the Kelpian.
58) Burnham as a teacher of the dynamics of social interaction. Do me a lemon...
59) Something that passes for exposition.
60) Episode title getting namedropped.
61) The exposition dump continues.
62) Radiation tolerance is about used up.
63) The totems by the entrance were indeed plot-relevant.
64) Discoball crew continues to be just as thick as the plot demands them to be.
65) Incredibly witless dialogue, murdered even further by Janet Kidder's Osyraa.
66) "Okay, we'll skip Freud." I don't get how these writers continually produce absolute hot trash but then pepper it with the occasional amusing bit like that. I wonder if it was a Mary Wiseman ad-lib that got chucked in?
67) Tilly making herself a hostage to fortune with this grand speech.
68) Saru and Culber have made it back to Burnham and Su'Kal.
69) Another week with no '69' references. This series must have finally broken that.
70) *rubs temples some more* Okay. I get that Su'Kal is afraid and that's why he's stuck in this programmed environment. But nothing else at all is making sense. His fear is powerful enough to blow a shockwave out of the nebula and fritz up the Discoball's cloak?
71) The Burn in miniature (and slow motion), perhaps?
72) After all that wanging on the series has done about finding Book a place on the Discoball, this new role he's playing as scout/ranger seems to have been settled on.
73) Tal plotting something that requires a comm badge.
74) Kelpian lullabies seem to be the Chekhov's Gun this season.
75) Back to the witless dialogue.
76) So, did Su'Kal genuinely cause the Burn?
77) Is it me, or has this episode absolutely ground to a halt?
78) Tal running with the first genuinely intelligent plan I've seen for a hot minute.
79) So much for blowing up the Discoball rather than letting it fall into enemy hands.
80) Stamets getting mind-controlled.
81) And now Osyraa has the bridge. This week's epic failure is complete.
82) Witless dialogue continues to be witless.
83) Well, thank God that's over.
84) "Next time..."
Well, that started out poorly. It was pretty bad in the middle. Then towards the end it really tailed off and sank into a sea of terribleness.
Nothing much else to say, is there?
Nothing much else to say, is there?
Soldato
I was thinking of doing my usual reaction to tomorrow's episode and the previous one in one go. But I decided that subjecting myself to two episodes of this dreck in such quick succession might be fatal, so here we go with the last episode.
3x11 - Su'Kal
1) Have I mentioned before that I don't think the premise for this season - that a century ago all the dilithium (apart from some of the dilithium, apparently) "went inert", the Federation fell, the Romulans forgot that they had quantum singularity cores powering their ships and the Klingons just plain vanished - makes a shred of sense?
2) Because it doesn't. At all.
3) SMG just as lousy in flashback as she is in the episodes.
4) Foreshadowing.
5) "To Phillipa!"
6) Yet more 'band of brothers' scenes from right outta nowhere before this season.
7) Well, at least Stamets isn't doing a stereotypical 'slightly catty gay man' reaction to Gray's reappearance in Adira Tal's head OH WAIT.
8) Someone is alive on the Kelpian ship in the nebula (DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNN).
9) And an explanation of the forehead markings from Saru - Issa was pregnant (DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNN).
10) "Quick, SMG, do that 'oh my God' face!"
11) Space lightning in the nebula. Wrath of Khan already did that, better.
12) Sorry, gotta pause it there. "The crash site is 200 kilometres into the nebula"...say what? 200 kilometres is barely a sneeze in the Trek universe. They could yank it out of there with a tractor beam! You're telling me that this ship was just 200km inside that nebula all this time and no-one fished it out before now???
13) Saru not giving the order to raise shields until the ship was already headed into the nebula seems...negligent, to say the least. Still, no harm done.
14) I'm not sure ionising radiation would make the Spark Generator™ on the bridge kick into life really, but what the hell.
15) I expect this is supposed to be exciting.
16) Book coming in with a plan at about half past useful. But let's just be glad he got there in the end.
17) VFX team earning their corn again this week.
18) Book's ship has a spark generator as well, which is also activated by the ionising radiation.
19) Oh, the excitement. Oh, the jeopardy.
20) Oh, the boredom.
21) Careful now Saru. Burnham's already acted against your explicit orders before in this season. Now you've gotten her boyfriend irradiated, she's likely to come at you with a phaser if he's no longer available for Sexy Times™.
22) "I think we may have just found the source of the Burn." I thought they'd already worked out that this was the source?
23) Exposition.
24) Yeah, that's about in keeping with the (exceedingly dumb) level of Osyraa's previous plan to lure the Discoball into a trap.
25) Tilly with a keen grasp of the obvious.
26) At least Grudge is on screen now. Episode just improved, markedly.
27) Witless dialogue.
28) "I'm not sure he can be objective." Excuse me while I laugh my spleen right off of it's mountings at Burnham, of all people, saying that.
29) Witless dialogue continues unabated.
30) As does the whispering from SMG.
31) A pretty realistic reaction from Stamets at Culber being on the away team going into the radiation.
32) Reassurance from Culber.
33) Oh lord, a pep talk from Burnham to Tilly. Just what this episode wanted.
34) *so much strangled screaming*
35) I really could do with this scene being over.
36) STOP ******* WHISPERING YOU USELESS BINT!!!
37) Ticking clock.
38) Um...what???
39) Doug Jones getting to spend some time out of makeup this episode. But still...what???
40) On the plus side, not boring. Downside, confusing and irritating in equal measure.
41) Back to the ticking clock.
42) 'Weird for the sake of it' should have gone out of fashion in TV by now.
43) Nope, I was wrong at 40). Bored.
44) Extremely bored.
45) Pixar does this stuff a lot better. So did Red Dwarf ("Terrorform").
46) Cool, split up. Great idea.
47) Federation ship approaching. It isn't, of course. It's actually Osyraa, and the plot is leading up her arrival being some kind of twist from right out of left field and not at all foreseen by every single person watching.
48) This script needed strangling at birth.
49) Bored. Bored. Bored. Bored.
50) Attempt at...who knows. I've got no idea what this episode is even going for here.
51) Meanwhile, Starfleet's least intelligent crew ever (and I'm including the cadets in that DS9 episode that attacked a Dominion battleship with a single Defiant-class escort in that) ponders on the arriving ship.
52) The plot is walking into itself with an audible clang.
53) Heeeeeeeeeeeeere's Osyraa.
54) *rubs temples* This episode is giving me such a headache.
55) They have a cloak. Guess the Treaty of Algeron no longer exists.
56) Oh, what a shame. Burnham is still alive.
57) But she's found the Kelpian.
58) Burnham as a teacher of the dynamics of social interaction. Do me a lemon...
59) Something that passes for exposition.
60) Episode title getting namedropped.
61) The exposition dump continues.
62) Radiation tolerance is about used up.
63) The totems by the entrance were indeed plot-relevant.
64) Discoball crew continues to be just as thick as the plot demands them to be.
65) Incredibly witless dialogue, murdered even further by Janet Kidder's Osyraa.
66) "Okay, we'll skip Freud." I don't get how these writers continually produce absolute hot trash but then pepper it with the occasional amusing bit like that. I wonder if it was a Mary Wiseman ad-lib that got chucked in?
67) Tilly making herself a hostage to fortune with this grand speech.
68) Saru and Culber have made it back to Burnham and Su'Kal.
69) Another week with no '69' references. This series must have finally broken that.
70) *rubs temples some more* Okay. I get that Su'Kal is afraid and that's why he's stuck in this programmed environment. But nothing else at all is making sense. His fear is powerful enough to blow a shockwave out of the nebula and fritz up the Discoball's cloak?
71) The Burn in miniature (and slow motion), perhaps?
72) After all that wanging on the series has done about finding Book a place on the Discoball, this new role he's playing as scout/ranger seems to have been settled on.
73) Tal plotting something that requires a comm badge.
74) Kelpian lullabies seem to be the Chekhov's Gun this season.
75) Back to the witless dialogue.
76) So, did Su'Kal genuinely cause the Burn?
77) Is it me, or has this episode absolutely ground to a halt?
78) Tal running with the first genuinely intelligent plan I've seen for a hot minute.
79) So much for blowing up the Discoball rather than letting it fall into enemy hands.
80) Stamets getting mind-controlled.
81) And now Osyraa has the bridge. This week's epic failure is complete.
82) Witless dialogue continues to be witless.
83) Well, thank God that's over.
84) "Next time..."
Well, that started out poorly. It was pretty bad in the middle. Then towards the end it really tailed off and sank into a sea of terribleness.
Nothing much else to say, is there?
Have to agree, Grudge had the best plot points, lines and acting of all the cast members.
Soldato
Cool. I must be on the right track then!
Honestly, if this season doesn't end with Grudge as the leader of a restored Federation then they'll have missed a trick
Soldato
3x12 - There Is A Tide...
1) Before the off - this and the season finale to go. Lots of 'season stuff' still to resolve. Did Sa'Kul really cause the Burn? If so, how? And how do they prevent it happening again? Why did some dilithium survive? What is the Wicked Witch of the Emerald Chain's cunning plan? Is it as cunning as a fox who has just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University? All signs point to 'no, and stop quoting Blackadder in relation to a series written as badly as this one'.
2) Presumably this episode is going to have a body count. The series has gone at least six minutes without killing someone. Will it be someone we care about, like Vance? Or someone we've been given no reason to care about, like one of the bridge bunnies?
3) Recap showing Zareh. That's unfortunate, presumably he's back in this episode. Then we'll have two weakly-written and weakly-acted villains in the piece.
4) Step one of Osyraa's plan - mess up the Discoball's paintjob so it looks like they were attacked. That'll be a 'no' regarding the cunning nature of the plan then.
5) Vance not about to drop the shields yet, because he at least possesses braincells. I expect the choice is about to be rendered moot, mind.
6) Because...*drumroll*...step two of Osyraa's plan - play chicken with the defence shield.
7) Yeah, I'm bored already.
8) Zareh got frostbite. Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
9) Didn't impair his 'inconsequential Bond villain' skit though.
10) *hums Doctor Who theme to himself*
11) Sod's law in full effect - comms are down on Book's ship. I'm not gonna rag on STD too hard for this as it's a Trek staple
12) Gosh, we're channelling Star Trek V now, with the shuttle crash into the bay
13) That's gonna leave a mark...
14) Now...in a series that was written with any kind of plausibility going on, Vance would have seen all that on sensors and immediately closed the shield back up. Osyraa would then have had to cut engines (for all her faults she hasn't seemed like the suicidal type so far). And thus the situation could be resolved. Place your bets now.
15) Welp, they're inside. But Osyraa's day not going entirely to plan. And she's getting whiny about it
16) I mean...at least it's directed well, I guess?
17) Book fetching another McGuffin out of nowhere. Getting to be a habit.
18) "Go save the day Michael." *vomit*
19) Witless dialogue, mercifully brief.
20) Vance catching up, but at about half past useful. Hey ho.
21) Book clueing Tilly in non-verbally really ought to have been noticed if these guards were remotely good at their job.
22) **** is Burnham just whole other levels of stupid...now she's got a leg half out of commission and is trailing blood. So much for the tracking inhibitor McGuffin.
23) TNG's "Starship Mine" did Die Hard On A Spaceship already.
24) Vance describing himself as an Admiral of the United Federation of Planets rather than of Starfleet. Significant? An error? Meh, who even knows with this series any more.
25) Vaguely witless dialogue.
26) Burnham calling her mommy.
27) Pausing a moment here (18:17). I know it's probably been a while for them, but you'd think Starfleet would have a better security protocol than this. Or indeed one at all. The nanosecond that Osyraa and her escort beamed in they should have been incapacitated - phasers on stun, knock-out gas, whatever. Then Osyraa wakes up in a holding cell and negotiations can begin in a fashion that suits Starfleet better. Starfleet knows (or should know by now) about the Emerald Chain lacking in dilithium - they easily have the upper hand. But, such things don't allow for jeopardy in the story so we're expected to simply ignore the glaring opportunities for resolving this situation that have been missed.
28) Giving serious consideration to not hitting 'play' again. Still, I'll always give a Frakes episode a chance or nine...
29) Bridge bunnies still going with the non-verbal communication.
30) Aaaaaaand a plan actually succeeds. Hurrah for Morse code!
31) Meanwhile, in the negotiation, witless dialogue ensues.
32) And Burnham continues in her mission to be the least intelligent lifeform ever seen in Star Trek.
33) Aurellio and Stamets going back-and-forth.
34) Scene ends on some mad scientist vibes from Aurellio.
35) What does it say about these guys that Burnham - with a plan that was stupid even by her low, low standards - succeeded there?
36) Now she's barefoot. Ripping off of Die Hard is complete. Also, hello to all the foot fetishists who just joined us, all breathless Take a seat and try not to get in the way.
37) Hot damn she's heroic
38) Quick pause for reflection. Story rather more straightforward than last week's Festival Of Weirdness™. Pacing much improved as well. Tight direction as befitting Two Takes Frakes. Pity the dialogue and some of the acting still suck. But, these are things that can be quite easily improved by hiring better writers (plenty of them writing in the Trek expanded universe) and sending SMG back to acting classes in the break before filming Season 4.
39) Back to the mess that is Oded Fehr's Vance (a very good actor playing a reasonably well-written character) vs Janet Kidder's Osyraa (a not particularly exceptional actor playing a cardboard cutout).
40) Looks like Zareh's day is going to have a wrench thrown in it by the bridge bunnies.
41) Aurellio vs Stamets, round 2.
42) And just as Stamets was starting to get through to Aurellio we get a dynamic entrance from Michael Burnham, Galactic Moron™. Even Kirk would have let that conversation finish before breaking out the phasers.
43) Book and Ryn doing their 'band of brothers' act comes off as more believable than when the Disco crew does it.
44) Stamets understandably wanting to jump back to the nebula. Burnham absolutely the last person that should be trying to convince him otherwise.
45) And she has to resort to a nerve pinch.
46) Vance vs Osyraa.
47) Got her to crack.
48) Zareh's day not getting much better.
49) Osyraa's isn't exactly improving either.
50) Bit more non-verbal communication.
51) Along with some verbal smacking-down from Ryn.
52) Book pleading for Ryn's life, which in STD always dooms a character. And thus Ryn is disintegrated by Osyraa's raygun. Maybe not the smartest play Osyraa's ever made, even given previous mis-steps, with Aurellio witnessing it all.
53) Meanwhile, with Burnham and Stamets. Burnham's whispering again
54) Stamets pleading with her. Unfortunately for everyone concerned, Michael Burnham doesn't listen to anyone.
55) Bridge bunnies on a mission.
56) And we're back to ripping off Star Wars with the cute helpful robots. Which the sphere data has taken over. Marvellous.
57) "Next time"...Action! Drama! Crap dialogue from the villains!
2) Presumably this episode is going to have a body count. The series has gone at least six minutes without killing someone. Will it be someone we care about, like Vance? Or someone we've been given no reason to care about, like one of the bridge bunnies?
3) Recap showing Zareh. That's unfortunate, presumably he's back in this episode. Then we'll have two weakly-written and weakly-acted villains in the piece.
4) Step one of Osyraa's plan - mess up the Discoball's paintjob so it looks like they were attacked. That'll be a 'no' regarding the cunning nature of the plan then.
5) Vance not about to drop the shields yet, because he at least possesses braincells. I expect the choice is about to be rendered moot, mind.
6) Because...*drumroll*...step two of Osyraa's plan - play chicken with the defence shield.
7) Yeah, I'm bored already.
8) Zareh got frostbite. Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
9) Didn't impair his 'inconsequential Bond villain' skit though.
10) *hums Doctor Who theme to himself*
11) Sod's law in full effect - comms are down on Book's ship. I'm not gonna rag on STD too hard for this as it's a Trek staple
12) Gosh, we're channelling Star Trek V now, with the shuttle crash into the bay
13) That's gonna leave a mark...
14) Now...in a series that was written with any kind of plausibility going on, Vance would have seen all that on sensors and immediately closed the shield back up. Osyraa would then have had to cut engines (for all her faults she hasn't seemed like the suicidal type so far). And thus the situation could be resolved. Place your bets now.
15) Welp, they're inside. But Osyraa's day not going entirely to plan. And she's getting whiny about it
16) I mean...at least it's directed well, I guess?
17) Book fetching another McGuffin out of nowhere. Getting to be a habit.
18) "Go save the day Michael." *vomit*
19) Witless dialogue, mercifully brief.
20) Vance catching up, but at about half past useful. Hey ho.
21) Book clueing Tilly in non-verbally really ought to have been noticed if these guards were remotely good at their job.
22) **** is Burnham just whole other levels of stupid...now she's got a leg half out of commission and is trailing blood. So much for the tracking inhibitor McGuffin.
23) TNG's "Starship Mine" did Die Hard On A Spaceship already.
24) Vance describing himself as an Admiral of the United Federation of Planets rather than of Starfleet. Significant? An error? Meh, who even knows with this series any more.
25) Vaguely witless dialogue.
26) Burnham calling her mommy.
27) Pausing a moment here (18:17). I know it's probably been a while for them, but you'd think Starfleet would have a better security protocol than this. Or indeed one at all. The nanosecond that Osyraa and her escort beamed in they should have been incapacitated - phasers on stun, knock-out gas, whatever. Then Osyraa wakes up in a holding cell and negotiations can begin in a fashion that suits Starfleet better. Starfleet knows (or should know by now) about the Emerald Chain lacking in dilithium - they easily have the upper hand. But, such things don't allow for jeopardy in the story so we're expected to simply ignore the glaring opportunities for resolving this situation that have been missed.
28) Giving serious consideration to not hitting 'play' again. Still, I'll always give a Frakes episode a chance or nine...
29) Bridge bunnies still going with the non-verbal communication.
30) Aaaaaaand a plan actually succeeds. Hurrah for Morse code!
31) Meanwhile, in the negotiation, witless dialogue ensues.
32) And Burnham continues in her mission to be the least intelligent lifeform ever seen in Star Trek.
33) Aurellio and Stamets going back-and-forth.
34) Scene ends on some mad scientist vibes from Aurellio.
35) What does it say about these guys that Burnham - with a plan that was stupid even by her low, low standards - succeeded there?
36) Now she's barefoot. Ripping off of Die Hard is complete. Also, hello to all the foot fetishists who just joined us, all breathless
Take a seat and try not to get in the way.37) Hot damn she's heroic
38) Quick pause for reflection. Story rather more straightforward than last week's Festival Of Weirdness™. Pacing much improved as well. Tight direction as befitting Two Takes Frakes. Pity the dialogue and some of the acting still suck. But, these are things that can be quite easily improved by hiring better writers (plenty of them writing in the Trek expanded universe) and sending SMG back to acting classes in the break before filming Season 4.
39) Back to the mess that is Oded Fehr's Vance (a very good actor playing a reasonably well-written character) vs Janet Kidder's Osyraa (a not particularly exceptional actor playing a cardboard cutout).
40) Looks like Zareh's day is going to have a wrench thrown in it by the bridge bunnies.
41) Aurellio vs Stamets, round 2.
42) And just as Stamets was starting to get through to Aurellio we get a dynamic entrance from Michael Burnham, Galactic Moron™. Even Kirk would have let that conversation finish before breaking out the phasers.
43) Book and Ryn doing their 'band of brothers' act comes off as more believable than when the Disco crew does it.
44) Stamets understandably wanting to jump back to the nebula. Burnham absolutely the last person that should be trying to convince him otherwise.
45) And she has to resort to a nerve pinch.
46) Vance vs Osyraa.
47) Got her to crack.
48) Zareh's day not getting much better.
49) Osyraa's isn't exactly improving either.
50) Bit more non-verbal communication.
51) Along with some verbal smacking-down from Ryn.
52) Book pleading for Ryn's life, which in STD always dooms a character. And thus Ryn is disintegrated by Osyraa's raygun. Maybe not the smartest play Osyraa's ever made, even given previous mis-steps, with Aurellio witnessing it all.
53) Meanwhile, with Burnham and Stamets. Burnham's whispering again
54) Stamets pleading with her. Unfortunately for everyone concerned, Michael Burnham doesn't listen to anyone.
55) Bridge bunnies on a mission.
56) And we're back to ripping off Star Wars with the cute helpful robots. Which the sphere data has taken over. Marvellous.
57) "Next time"...Action! Drama! Crap dialogue from the villains!
Well...it actually was better. Ish.
Some things remain in the mire. SMG's acting. Burnham's characterisation. Osyraa and Zareh's fundamental weaknesses as villains. Vast swathes of the dialogue. Senseless offing of characters (Ryn).
And yet...
Ken Mitchell as Aurellio? He played several Klingons earlier in the series, including Kol. He's much better here, and I don't just mean that as damning with faint praise. He's genuinely very good in this episode as a scientist who thought he was working for the good guys and is starting to see Osyraa for who she is. Oded Fehr's Vance? Also still excellent, desperate for peace and prosperity but not about to blindly trust Osyraa or forget about what she's done. The bridge bunnies got themselves meaningful action in the story as well. The pacing was breathless, as you'd sort of expect given what was going on (when was the last time I only made it to 57 points in a running commentary?). Refreshingly sparing use of ShakyCam™, because Frakes.
Next week has a lot to wrap up. The Burn investigation, saving the gang in the nebula, the Emerald Chain in general and Osyraa+Zareh in particular, and Burnham's place in a crew that she has pulled away from (see Stamets' imploring of her this time out only to be rebuffed because she knows best and is going to do things her way). I'm finding it amusing on some levels how as Burnham has withdrawn from this crew (she really only interacts with them or works with them if it gets her closer to understanding the Burn) they have pulled together. And now even Book is more a part of this crew than she is! Maybe he should be the one in uniform and her in civvies.
Some things remain in the mire. SMG's acting. Burnham's characterisation. Osyraa and Zareh's fundamental weaknesses as villains. Vast swathes of the dialogue. Senseless offing of characters (Ryn).
And yet...
Ken Mitchell as Aurellio? He played several Klingons earlier in the series, including Kol. He's much better here, and I don't just mean that as damning with faint praise. He's genuinely very good in this episode as a scientist who thought he was working for the good guys and is starting to see Osyraa for who she is. Oded Fehr's Vance? Also still excellent, desperate for peace and prosperity but not about to blindly trust Osyraa or forget about what she's done. The bridge bunnies got themselves meaningful action in the story as well. The pacing was breathless, as you'd sort of expect given what was going on (when was the last time I only made it to 57 points in a running commentary?). Refreshingly sparing use of ShakyCam™, because Frakes.
Next week has a lot to wrap up. The Burn investigation, saving the gang in the nebula, the Emerald Chain in general and Osyraa+Zareh in particular, and Burnham's place in a crew that she has pulled away from (see Stamets' imploring of her this time out only to be rebuffed because she knows best and is going to do things her way). I'm finding it amusing on some levels how as Burnham has withdrawn from this crew (she really only interacts with them or works with them if it gets her closer to understanding the Burn) they have pulled together. And now even Book is more a part of this crew than she is! Maybe he should be the one in uniform and her in civvies.
Soldato
Better episode this week, I really hope they don't cop out with the writing and make Vance the bad guy after this episode, felt like a TNG with more diplomacy and talking.
Sadly it's looking like Burnham is about to become captain.
Sadly it's looking like Burnham is about to become captain.
Soldato
I see it wasn't just this episode title that got renamed.
The originally published episode titles:
"The Good of the People" got renamed "There Is A Tide..." for reasons which escape me (the original title was a better fit IMO). And "Outside", the season finale, has been renamed "That Hope Is You, Part 2". Presumably because someone on the showrunning staff finally realised that it was a bit dumb to name the first episode "part 1" and then not actually have a second part And hey, got to hammer home that Burnham is the hero of the piece, famed in song and story, the great shining beacon of hope for all of the Federation and the galaxy beyond...
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For those keeping score, "There Is A Tide..." was the 800th Trek production aired or released.
80 for The Original Series - the 79 episodes of the regular series plus the original pilot "The Cage"
22 for the two seasons of The Animated Series
176 for The Next Generation
173 for Deep Space Nine
168 for Voyager
97 for Enterprise
13 films
10 each so far for Picard, Lower Decks and Short Treks
41 so far for Discovery
I can't see there being another film for a while yet, and probably no continuation of the JJTrek universe (praise be to $DEITY if so). But Picard, Lower Decks, Short Treks and Disco are going to continue for at least another season each. Prodigy (the kiddie show on Nickelodeon) is going ahead, so is Strange New Worlds with Anson Mount's Pike on the notEnterprise. And there's the as-yet untitled Section 31 series.
Wonder if they'll get to 1000 without doing a complete TV continuity reboot?
The originally published episode titles:
Oh, there's there's no That Hope Is You Part 2 at all listed on wiki. That's really special
30) 1 "That Hope Is You, Part 1" Olatunde Osunsanmi Michelle Paradise & Jenny Lumet & Alex Kurtzman October 15, 2020
31) 2 "Far from Home" Olatunde Osunsanmi Michelle Paradise & Jenny Lumet & Alex Kurtzman October 22, 2020
32) 3 "People of Earth" Jonathan Frakes[5] Bo Yeon Kim and Erika Lippoldt[6] October 29, 2020
33) 4 "Forget Me Not" TBA Alan McElroy & Chris Silvestri & Anthony Maranville November 5, 2020
34) 5 "Die Trying" TBA Teleplay by : Sean Cochran. Story by : James Duff & Sean Cochran November 12, 2020
35) 6 "Scavengers" TBA Anne Cofell Saunders November 19, 2020
36) 7 "Unification III" TBA Kirsten Beyer November 26, 2020
37) 8 "The Sanctuary" Jonathan Frakes[5] Kenneth Lin & Brandon A. Schultz December 3, 2020
38–39) 9–10 "Terra Firma" TBA Teleplay by : Alan McElroy. Story by : Bo Yeon Kim & Erika Lippoldt & Alan McElroy December 10, 2020. Teleplay by : Kalinda Vazquez. Story by : Bo Yeon Kim & Erika Lippoldt & Alan McElroy December 17, 2020
40) 11 "The Citadel" TBA Anne Cofell Saunders December 24, 2020
41) 12 "The Good of the People" Jonathan Frakes[5] Kenneth Lin December 31, 2020
42) 13 "Outside" Olatunde Osunsanmi[7] Michelle Paradise January 7, 2021
"The Good of the People" got renamed "There Is A Tide..." for reasons which escape me (the original title was a better fit IMO). And "Outside", the season finale, has been renamed "That Hope Is You, Part 2". Presumably because someone on the showrunning staff finally realised that it was a bit dumb to name the first episode "part 1" and then not actually have a second part
And hey, got to hammer home that Burnham is the hero of the piece, famed in song and story, the great shining beacon of hope for all of the Federation and the galaxy beyond...***edit***
For those keeping score, "There Is A Tide..." was the 800th Trek production aired or released.
80 for The Original Series - the 79 episodes of the regular series plus the original pilot "The Cage"
22 for the two seasons of The Animated Series
176 for The Next Generation
173 for Deep Space Nine
168 for Voyager
97 for Enterprise
13 films
10 each so far for Picard, Lower Decks and Short Treks
41 so far for Discovery
I can't see there being another film for a while yet, and probably no continuation of the JJTrek universe (praise be to $DEITY if so). But Picard, Lower Decks, Short Treks and Disco are going to continue for at least another season each. Prodigy (the kiddie show on Nickelodeon) is going ahead, so is Strange New Worlds with Anson Mount's Pike on the notEnterprise. And there's the as-yet untitled Section 31 series.
Wonder if they'll get to 1000 without doing a complete TV continuity reboot?
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Soldato
That was a great episode, had a bit of everything and then that ending... that took the Trek right out of it for me. Didn't feel that was necessary at all.