Poll: DAB+ is the future? Digital terrestrial radio broadcasting

[4K8KW10]

DAB in this country is a complete joke.

The problem is in the people, not in the technology. If you are using low quality compression codec and mono sound, what else can you expect?!

It continues to develop and you can ask for HE-AAC v2 or v3, and stereo sound, might your experience get better.

But blaming the wrong thing won't help you.

 

[5punk3monk3y]

I once had a goldfish named Goldie, he used to swim about his tank starring blankly in to space.

One day I came back from work and mentioned to the other half that there seemed to be a damp patch forming on one of the plastic beads holding the front piece of glass to the side piece of glass. Upon further inspection it was a leak.

Anyway speaking to the other half she mentioned that she was going shopping the following day so would also pop in to the pet shop and pick up some new sealant.

So after getting hold of the sealant we used a jug to lower the water level in the tank to a point below the leak. Applied the sealant left the tank over night then filled up again with water.

Needless to say after a day there was no more leak.

 

[james.miller]

Multiplexes have a finite limit of bandwidth available to them. That's the reason for the low bitrate and without significantly better compression tech, we won't be seeing better bitrates in the UK which are truly terrible in some cases.

 

[lucid]

Multiplexes have a finite limit of bandwidth available to them. That's the reason for the low bitrate and without significantly better compression tech, we won't be seeing better bitrates in the UK which are truly terrible in some cases.

BIB Isn't that kind of self evident, though? By that I mean that its not possible to set up a transmission space and allocate it unlimited bandwidth to it can expand infinitely.

Yes, limited bandwidth is a problem. But this problem would disappear if there were just two or three stations sharing the bandwidth rather than however many each carries. The problem then is the 'size of the cake'
and how many portions it is split in to.

As previously mentioned, even if the UK were to switch entirely to DAB+, we would just have a repeat of the same situation; a cake cut in to too many portions.

That seems to be the direction our European cousins are headed to as well.

 

[Gray2233]

Yes, limited bandwidth is a problem. But this problem would disappear if there were just two or three stations sharing the bandwidth rather than however many each carries. The problem then is the 'size of the cake'
and how many portions it is split in to.

Which makes the OP's position all the more strange.

He's in this thread telling people it's their own fault that DAB is low quality, while simultaneously celebrating the opening of tens of stations within small areas and the suggestions of more stations to follow.

 

[4K8KW10]

The bandwidth of a multiplex is 1,136 kbit/s which is enough for up to 10 stations at 114 Kb/s or up to 17 stations at 64 Kb/s

There are lossless compression algorithms - Category:Lossless audio codecs - Wikipedia
FLAC, Ogg,

 

[lucid]

The bandwidth of a multiplex is 1,136 kbit/s which is enough for up to 10 stations at 114 Kb/s or up to 17 stations at 64 Kb/s

Neither of which are sufficient to provide a signal quality free-enough of compression artefacts to match or better FM; so really, what's point?

Its not for consumer benefits. Which then leaves the other reasons which are it serves the commercial interests of the broadcasters and it pays more revenue in to the Government coffers.

The bottom line then is it's all about money. This is what some/many of us have said all through this thread...

.... and you've finally shown your true colours.

 

[lucid]

Which makes the OP's position all the more strange.

He's in this thread telling people it's their own fault that DAB is low quality, while simultaneously celebrating the opening of tens of stations within small areas and the suggestions of more stations to follow.

Exactly. (See the posts above)

 

[4K8KW10]

Neither of which are sufficient to provide a signal quality free-enough of compression artefacts to match or better FM; so really, what's point?

Its not for consumer benefits. Which then leaves the other reasons which are it serves the commercial interests of the broadcasters and it pays more revenue in to the Government coffers.

The bottom line then is it's all about money. This is what some/many of us have said all through this thread...

.... and you've finally shown your true colours.

I begin to think that you are a troll.
FM cuts very large range of the high and low frequencies and have very strong disturbances / interferences in the sound which make the effective bit rate close to 10 or 20 Kb/s.
DAB+ offers many times more.

 

[Gray2233]

Exactly. (See the posts above)

Yup.

There is an evolution from FM to be had, it's called Internet Radio -- Dab is worthless tatt that requires more expenditure for the consumer in the end. Internet coverage is built into everything now, it's a growing eco-system which will constantly improve and offer more. Somewhat hilarious as he claimed Internet Radio was a negative because it cost more than going DAB for the consumer. More...? Almost everyone has access to the internet now and more will, and there's no silly bandwidth limitations in the same sense as DAB. Sort of hilarious as he was claiming at one point that DAB was cost effective as people might not have internet access (in the UK, or any first world country, or London which he seems obsessed with). Almost everyone has an internet capable device now, very few people have DAB devices by comparison.

Lunacy.

 

[4K8KW10]

Yup.

There is an evolution from FM to be had, it's called Internet Radio -- Dab is worthless tatt that requires more expenditure for the consumer in the end. Internet coverage is built into everything now, it's a growing eco-system that will constantly improve and offer more. Somewhat hilarious as he claimed Internet Radio was a negative because it cost more than going DAB for the consumer. More...? Almost everyone has access to the internet now and more will, and there's no silly bandwidth limitations in the same sense as DAB. Sort of hilarious as he was claiming at one point that DAB was cost effective as people might not have internet access (in the UK, or any first world country, or London which he seems obsessed with). Almost everyone has an internet capable device now, very few people have DAB devices by comparison.

Lunacy.

This is not true - there is no standard for internet streaming and the internet streams are up to 40-50 Kb/s, too. So, even worse than terrestrial FM.

Internet is private, so this is why you will never see it used by the government for national services.

Today, a German province switched off its FM and DVB-T2 transmitters but left the DAB+ ones turned on.

INFODIGITAL - Empfangsstörungen bei UKW und DVB-T2 – DAB+ Empfang nicht betroffen (infosat.de)
Reception disturbances at FM and DVB-T2 - DAB+ reception not affected

 

[Gray2233]

Congratulations on making things up and talking about/linking unrelated nonsense buddy^

 

[4K8KW10]

Congratulations on making things up and talking about/linking unrelated nonsense buddy^

DAB+ is a digital standard for terrestrial radio.

Internet is made for sharing data between people and streaming will never be used for official national radio broadcasting.

You must think more than your personal interests and who pays you to write your opinion.

The European Commission has a decision already and it is to make DAB+ a univeral radio broadcasting standard of new generation for the European Union.

Norway and Switzerland despite not being EU member states but being the most developed countries in the world already joined this.

 

[Gray2233]

You must think more than your personal interests and who pays you to write your opinion.

The European Commission has a decision already and it is to make DAB+ a univeral radio broadcasting standard of new generation for the European Union.

You couldn't make it up.

 

[Firestar_3x]

You couldn't make it up.

But he does, least he's consistent.

 

[Gray2233]

But he does, least he's consistent.

He should dedicate his time to writing books for children instead.

I'm sure he'd be very successful selling fantasy to the naive among us.

 

[james.miller]

BIB Isn't that kind of self evident, though? By that I mean that its not possible to set up a transmission space and allocate it unlimited bandwidth to it can expand infinitely.

Evident to some, yes. I wasn't saying it for your benefit lol..

 

[TALON1973]

The problem is in the people, not in the technology. If you are using low quality compression codec and mono sound, what else can you expect?!

It continues to develop and you can ask for HE-AAC v2 or v3, and stereo sound, might your experience get better.

But blaming the wrong thing won't help you.

Just ......WHAT ?????

How is it the peoples ( erm the listeners ) fault that the technology available to them is sub standard? Any chance the mods can lock this thread as it’s a complete poo show. The OP is in a majority of 1 and can’t argue against a simple point

 

[TALON1973]

DAB+ is a digital standard for terrestrial radio.

Internet is made for sharing data between people and streaming will never be used for official national radio broadcasting.

You must think more than your personal interests and who pays you to write your opinion.

Just to completely destroy you once and for all.... I give you THE BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_one

LOL

 

[Gray2233]

Just to completely destroy you once and for all.... I give you THE BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_one

LOL

He lacks the self awareness.

He'll ignore you at best and even should he respond to you, it'll be a random un-related bout of nonsense.