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I thought the massage parlour killings were committed by someone with a misplaced beef about sex workers, hardly far right terrorists.
Derek Chauvin murder trial (Police officer who arrested George Floyd)
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You will need to substantiate that with evidence.
Most terrorist plots that are uncovered are not reported
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Bit of a catch all excuse for the supposed far right. Well they're there, they've just had all their plans foisted and it was never reported on. Convenient huh.
useful to look at the facts https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...terrorist-threat-is-from-far-right-say-police
Given the trend, these stats are likely dates. Far right terrorism is expanding at an exponential rate in the UK
Given the trend, these stats are likely dates. Far right terrorism is expanding at an exponential rate in the UK
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All a media hoax by the Antifa controlled MSM.
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Ok
Terror deaths UK 2000 - present:
Islam: 84 (#NotAll bigot!)
All others: 3 (OMG something must be done!)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain#2000s
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The amount of Black on Asian crime in the USA is unreal, you want an example of actual racism that's being ignored, look right there. Something like 85% of violent crime in San Francisco is Black on Asian.
Guardian article though...
They are there, and they cause trouble sometimes, but they are small time and mostly all mouth. They aren't running crowds over with Enterprise rental vans or knifing random people in the street.
The whole idea that the "right wing terrorists" are a big threat to the public is a myth.
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Yep and yet the media very rarely report it for what it is, a racially motivated attack, they often just call it assault.
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So in your world if you have ever committed a crime your easy bait for overzealous cops and death is a mere 'accident'.
Its absolutely disgusting what happened to this man, stop pretending its not.
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Overzealous have you even seen the body cam footage, those coppers should be given medals for their patience.
Commits crime, kicks off, swallows loads of drugs, needs to be forcibly controlled. The case is far from as black and white as you like to claim.
Go back to the 90s and there's a whole heap of IRA related terrorism, but that would make the thread go completely OT....
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I'm watching all the footage from the trial now. I liked the part where they threw him through the cruiser for no apparent reason , that was a nice touch before they knelt on his body part responsible for providing air. 10/10 policing.
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Watch the bodycam footage, not the cherry picked media stuff, you'll see the context of why that happened.
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Much like this thread, all the prosecution has is emotions.
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I have watched all of the trial so far. The 'context' isn't actually there because what occurred was inexcusable.
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reading another American centric forum is infuriating over this attack.
They are arresting people just for being members of far right groups as they are designated terrorist organisations, according to one of those Guardian articles a couple were arrested because they named their kid after Hitler. I mean it's no wonder you have a rise in "far right" arrests when the police are taking it so seriously. What's annoying though is so much violence in recent years has come from the far left, many Antifa members walk around waving Communist flags so why are they not they seen as terrorists? I've lost count how many times I've seen people on the left calling for violence on social media and nobody seems to care when they do it. There's a massive double standard. I mean if you were to call your newborn after some historic Communist that committed genocide nobody would bat an eyelid but both ideologies are as bad as each other. Present day China are supposedly Communist and they're putting Muslims into camps.
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Yeah but that warrants an assault charge (which the prosecutor really ought to have added for the jury to consider) not necessarily a murder charge.
2nd-degree murder seems like a complete reach and was purely political, the original prosecutor didn't go with it at all it was only added as a charge later. Can certainly see why they might attempt to charge Chauvin with manslaughter (3rd degree murder less so)... to me I think he's likely guilty of assault (or similar - whatever the US equivalent of ABH is etc..) possibly he's guilty of manslaughter but that depends on establishing that his actions were a significant cause of death... problem is there is plenty of reasonable doubt here that the combination of the drugs consumed - high when in the shop, took two pills in the car when already high before cops arrived then took more drugs when cops arrived + his anxiety at being arrested + his underlying health issues... if those things are really what is responsible for his death (raised heart rate from the arrest + raised blood pressure form the drugs and health issues leading to a fatal arrhythmia) then I can't see how Chauvin is guilty of murder or manslaughter... If however, they can demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that his (arguably at times unreasonable) use of force itself contributed significantly to the death then fair enough.
There is also the issue that by US standards and according to local guidelines at least some of their use of force is authorised/approved.
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