Derek Chauvin murder trial (Police officer who arrested George Floyd)

MadMossy · 2 Apr 2021 at 00:28

Roar87 said:
So you cited a book that you haven't read and called the similarities "shocking" from just the first few pages lmao

I know the premise of it, read plenty of quotes and mutliple videos and documentaries about it.

PapaLazaru · 2 Apr 2021 at 00:34

MadMossy said:
I know the premise of it, read plenty of quotes and mutliple videos and documentaries about it.

But not actually read the book. Good show.

MadMossy · 2 Apr 2021 at 00:37

I've never read the hobbit, but ive seen the films, pretty sure I know what happened in that book.

danoliver1 · 2 Apr 2021 at 00:47

Wasn't the whole thing recorded from multiple sources/angles? Do they even need witnesses? when to the jury can just watch the videos. All witnesses are going to do is colour the evidence with their own take on events. No pun intended.

Malevolence · 2 Apr 2021 at 05:21

danoliver1 said:
Wasn't the whole thing recorded from multiple sources/angles? Do they even need witnesses? when to the jury can just watch the videos. All witnesses are going to do is colour the evidence with their own take on events. No pun intended.

Because the video evidence on it's own shows that everything was done in accordance with police training and as such is very damaging to the prosecution's case and doesn't support the racial agenda they're pushing, whereas overly emotional people crying in the witness box goes some way to negate that effect.

Efour · 2 Apr 2021 at 05:36

Pure Video evidence doesn't cloud everything with emotion, which isn't going to help the defence win... Lol
The show must be a roller coaster of emotions.
The cops going down anyway. The trial is a slideshow to justify rioting.

kinetic747 · 2 Apr 2021 at 06:44

The video of his death was horrific. Once George Floyd was subdued, what exactly was Chauvin waiting for? Why did he continue to hold him in that position when he was obviously unconscious? It was the equivalent of watching someone being drowned in a bath.

deuse · 2 Apr 2021 at 06:55

Angilion said:
It goes hand in hand with opposing the authoritarianism and bootlicking that left wing racists need to make themselves feel better.

It's not right wing racists who are demanding that people literally bend the knee to them.

It's not right wing racists who have started an entirely ideology solely to promote the belief that a person's life only matters if they're the "right race".

It's not right wing racists who, acting on the above belief, don't give a damn when "white" people die in similar circumstances to George Floyd.

It's not right wing racists who, acting on the above belief, demand that everyone pretend that most of the people killed by police in the USA never existed because they're the "wrong race".

It's not right wing racists who dominate the media and politics and impose a ludicrous degree of bias.

It's not right wing racists who use nationwide violence and intimidation to further their agenda.

It's not right wing racists who are calling for the abolition of the rule of law and its replacement with whatever its own militias decide to impose.

It's not right wing racists who are demanding absolute obedience from all people in all things - deeds, words, thoughts and feelings - and imposing "re-education programs" on people to do that, especially targetting children.

It's not right wing racists who are advocating insurrection and racist genocide.

There are authoritarian right wing racists who are as bad as authoritarian left wing racists, but they have far less power so they're far less dangerous. There's hardly any difference between the two, anyway. Authoritarian racists are authoritarian racists. A different position in economic policies is minor in comparison.

What a great post.

hurfdurf · 2 Apr 2021 at 07:31

Angilion said:
Most likely whatever country they were born into, like most people.

You'd have fit right in with any of the authoritarian regimes. Especially the violent ones.

The cowards response

hurfdurf · 2 Apr 2021 at 07:54

kindai said:
Interesting point. Do you take the coroners report at word value also?

Thanks, but I already had this link and was aware of the content, was just working my way upto pointing out what an absolute spanner Andrew was being (in general in this thread) as its obvious he made his mind up the officer is guilty when the evidence may actually quite comfortably show otherwise.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/derek-chauvin-s-former-supervisor-testifies-his-restraint-george-floyd-n1262840

Derek Chauvin's former supervisor testifies his restraint of George Floyd violated use-of-force policies
"When Mr. Floyd was no longer offering up any resistance to the officers, they could have ended their restraint," the former supervisor testified Thursday.

hmmm, it’s almost like most of us who have actually had to go hands on with someone in security might of been saying itt how utterly reprehensible and pointless the knee on neck was once a handcuffed male was facedown...

iamtheoneneo · 2 Apr 2021 at 08:37

kinetic747 said:
The video of his death was horrific. Once George Floyd was subdued, what exactly was Chauvin waiting for? Why did he continue to hold him in that position when he was obviously unconscious? It was the equivalent of watching someone being drowned in a bath.

He was waiting for him to die.

iamtheoneneo · 2 Apr 2021 at 08:39

hurfdurf said:
The cowards response

Threads full of them..according to some posters here you cant even have witnesses now at a MURDER trial

deuse · 2 Apr 2021 at 08:43

iamtheoneneo said:
Threads full of them..according to some posters here you cant even have witnesses now at a MURDER trial

You should read the thread.
hurfdurf was on about fighting people again.

But how easy it is for people to get sucked in.

Naff8000 · 2 Apr 2021 at 09:17

Malevolence said:
Because the video evidence on it's own shows that everything was done in accordance with police training and as such is very damaging to the prosecution's case and doesn't support the racial agenda they're pushing, whereas overly emotional people crying in the witness box goes some way to negate that effect.

I don't think I've heard the prosecution mention race once. They've been pushing emotional murder. Many of the civilian witnesses were black.
Regarding training, the last witness yesterday, Chauvins supervisor of sorts said the knee should have been taken off the neck once on the ground. Not kept on until an EMT asks you to remove it.

TrannyBill · 2 Apr 2021 at 09:32

Naff8000 said:
I don't think I've heard the prosecution mention race once. They've been pushing emotional murder. Many of the civilian witnesses were black.
Regarding training, the last witness yesterday, Chauvins supervisor of sorts said the knee should have been taken off the neck once on the ground. Not kept on until an EMT asks you to remove it.

That's not quite what he said though is it?
I understand that you (or your 2nd hand source) may have innocently paraphrased, but you have (hopefully inadvertently) misrepresented his testimony.

PlacidCasual · 2 Apr 2021 at 09:57

There is a scene in Sully the film about the plane landing on the Hudson River after a dual engine failure where he asks the NTSB board to get serious. In particular he talks about the difference between being in the situation and not, in his case decision making time.

In this case it might be the emotional position that affects decisionmaking. The Supervisor and the trainer can say that something was taught this way and should have happended a certain way. But ultimately they weren't in the position that the police officer was. One assumes they train to make good practice into natural behaviour for safety reasons etc. They will also train to drum in legal requirements. But some decisions will be made poorly depending on the situational environment. People standing around, filming you shouting at you etc after what may or may not have been a stessful situation may lead to bad decisions.

Colonel_Klinck · 2 Apr 2021 at 10:17

MadMossy said:
...On the subject matter previously mentioned, I think George Orwell's 1984 should be a cumpulsory read for everyone. It's shocking how many similarities there are with todays world and that was written 70 years ago.

People have been saying that for as long as I can remember (late 70s). Although I'll give you with Trump we did edge ever closer with "alternative facts", "fake news" and of course "This country is doing better than it's ever has before, economically...It's all working out. Just remember: what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening." That does indeed sound just like 1984.

hurfdurf · 2 Apr 2021 at 10:17

PlacidCasual said:
There is a scene in Sully the film about the plane landing on the Hudson River after a dual engine failure where he asks the NTSB board to get serious. In particular he talks about the difference between being in the situation and not, in his case decision making time.

In this case it might be the emotional position that affects decisionmaking. The Supervisor and the trainer can say that something was taught this way and should have happended a certain way. But ultimately they weren't in the position that the police officer was. One assumes they train to make good practice into natural behaviour for safety reasons etc. They will also train to drum in legal requirements. But some decisions will be made poorly depending on the situational environment. People standing around, filming you shouting at you etc after what may or may not have been a stessful situation may lead to bad decisions.

“Your honour you see I can’t possibly be to blame for my action, people were shouting at me that I was killing the guy as I knelt on his neck, which distracted me, and in the fluster, I simply forgot I was kneeling on the mans neck for 9 minutes”

deuse · 2 Apr 2021 at 10:32

hurfdurf said:
“Your honour you see I can’t possibly be to blame for my action, people were shouting at me that I was killing the guy as I knelt on his neck, which distracted me, and in the fluster, I simply forgot I was kneeling on the mans neck for 9 minutes”

Tell me.
How does one know if any of them have a gun?
Case in point

Angilion · 2 Apr 2021 at 10:40

hurfdurf said:
The cowards response

The sensible and realistic response. In a war between countries, the majority of people support their own country. Not all, which is of course why I said "probably".

You might be driven enough to search out an authoritarian regime of violence to join, but most people aren't. I'm not sure you are. In any case, your best match would be Stalin's regime and it would be difficult to get there and join up during WW2.