Prince Philip has died

Tony Edwards · 10 Apr 2021 at 15:10

cheesyboy said:
Apparently, the overnight TV ratings show that much of the country agrees with you:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1380808858478731264

Interesting transition on BBC Radio One.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1380489633797177350

robgmun · 10 Apr 2021 at 15:21

I thought that was going to remix the anthem, that would have been something!

Lightnix · 10 Apr 2021 at 16:00

LOAM said:
The crown estate would revert back to the family ownership and they would then choose to keep them open and retain the profits (currently they go to the treasury).

Even the crown estate website makes it clear that the crown estate is not the private property of the monarch, and for very obvious reason, so why do you think this?

Tony Edwards · 10 Apr 2021 at 16:05

Lightnix said:
Even the crown estate website makes it clear that the crown estate is not the private property of the monarch, and for very obvious reason, so why do you think this?

Is it because they cant be trusted?

unwashed potato! · 10 Apr 2021 at 16:48

StriderX said:
I dunno, maybe because we have the intelligence to decide that the way one country does things is moronic and then not do that?

We've already done this with the monarchy for the most part, but clearly it's not enough if certain individuals continue to waltz around the place like there's zero consequences for bringing disrepute upon the government and the country.

Which countries do you think are full of stupid people that caused their problems, of which we some how won't make similar mistakes?

What consequences are those? You obviously have someone in mind, so who are you talking about when you say waltzes around, and what consequences on the government?

And this waltzing is enough to mean we no longer need?

Johno please? · 10 Apr 2021 at 17:05

Apex said:
In fact Russia has shown the issue with their system for a long time.

Well yea, theres quite a few problems with a dictatorship :confused:

StriderX · 10 Apr 2021 at 17:06

Apex said:
Which countries do you think are full of stupid people that caused their problems, of which we some how won't make similar mistakes?

What consequences are those? You obviously have someone in mind, so who are you talking about when you say waltzes around, and what consequences on the government?

And this waltzing is enough to mean we no longer need?

Well you've already listed a couple, don't see the need in expanding it and I've argued for possible consequences in the previous post. I think it's obvious that I refer to Prince Andrew, but the Queen (for lobbying the legislature since it's not immediately apparent) and Diana also come to mind. Goodness knows what else has being going on as the state has the perverse incentive to keep it obscure, not a healthy situation for any democracy no matter how much good they do.

It's also not a matter of need, we don't need them and never have, it's always been a matter of tolerance. For the moment the country tolerates the monarchy's place in government and I'm fine with that. I just think that regardless of the status of the monarchy, there ought to be stricter rules surrounding their behaviour as they don't have the arbiter of the electorate to contend with regularly. I don't think it's an unreasonable request that there be more accountability throughout our government.

unwashed potato! · 10 Apr 2021 at 18:17

Johno please? said:
Well yea, theres quite a few problems with a dictatorship

Exactly....

Quite a few problems with a presidency, quite a few problems with a free for all. Quite a few problems with democracy when in the wrong hands.

"but we are smart so wouldn't do that" doesn't quite sound like a sensible reply as has been said earlier

StriderX · 10 Apr 2021 at 18:23

Well I for one can't wait until the royal family becomes woke to stay relevant.

Hagar · 10 Apr 2021 at 18:43

StriderX said:
Well I for one can't wait until the royal family becomes woke to stay relevant.

Define woke. Everyone has their own view it seems. As for relevance, the better part of the country does not define itself as woke and remains relevant to daily life so why should they?

The royal family represents continuity and whilst over large in my opinion it should carry on doing so.

Duke · 10 Apr 2021 at 18:58

I would put reforming the House of Lords above the Royal Family, personally.

200sols · 10 Apr 2021 at 18:59

cheesyboy said:
Apparently, the overnight TV ratings show that much of the country agrees with you:

Hardly surprising they had been rolling the same news for 9+ hours.

robgmun · 10 Apr 2021 at 19:03

StriderX said:
Well I for one can't wait until the royal family becomes woke to stay relevant.

Well, they tried it by welcoming Megan with open arms (And they did before you came back with any pithy comeback) and she repaid them by being a manipulative gaslighter and **** on everyone's cornflakes. As usual going woke is a mistake and they won't be making that one again in our lifetimes.

Tony Edwards · 10 Apr 2021 at 19:09

200sols said:
Hardly surprising they had been rolling the same news for 9+ hours.

Id have thought a lot of the 'royalist' types dont watch lefty woke terrestrial TV anyway and certainly dont have a TV license to be legaly entitled to watch it from what I can tell. Unless they are the same people that say pirating stuff is okay and dont really care whether they pay for their **** like real law abiding citizens do.

That could be the reason for the fall in viewer numbers. Some of the nationalist here must be gutted they couldnt watch 9 hrs of the same stuff. The only thing that really bothers me is not being able to watch Have I got news for you. I need woke fuel just to keep me at the right level of angry and happy sometimes.

robgmun said:
Well, they tried it by welcoming Megan with open arms (And they did before you came back with any pithy comeback) and she repaid them by being a manipulative gaslighter and **** on everyone's cornflakes. As usual going woke is a mistake and they won't be making that one again in our lifetimes.

Thats the spirit. **** off a royal why dont you.

Its like what Harry said after they took his security away. "I was born into this I didnt ask for it"

I have to say the difference between him wearing a Nazi uniform to a party and him calling his squad mate the P word and everyone said he was just boisterous are now going crazy about him being 'woke' is comical.

Nevakonaza · 10 Apr 2021 at 19:12

Anyone else sick of hearing about this now, Yes its sad he's died BUT people die everyday. Time to move on!..i bet the news will drag this out for a good 2 weeks

then a further 2 weeks going on about his funeral.

Caracus2k · 10 Apr 2021 at 19:13

StriderX said:
Well I for one can't wait until the royal family becomes woke to stay relevant.

Remaining mostly apolitical ( at least in public) is one of the main reason the royalty under Elizabeth the Second has endured.

I hold far less hope that her eldest son and his sucessors will manage to navigate the tricky path of being a Monarch in today's and tomorrow's world.

A 'woke' monarch would likely be the last of their line in the UK in my view.

Tony Edwards · 10 Apr 2021 at 19:17

Nevakonaza said:
Anyone else sick of hearing about this now, Yes its sad he's died BUT people die everyday. Time to move on!..i bet the news will drag this out for a good 2 weeks then a further 2 weeks going on about his funeral.

Its been less than 30 hours. I talk about losing a tenner on a sure bet for longer than that..

m@rty · 10 Apr 2021 at 19:22

Nevakonaza said:
Anyone else sick of hearing about this now, Yes its sad he's died BUT people die everyday. Time to move on!..i bet the news will drag this out for a good 2 weeks then a further 2 weeks going on about his funeral.

Yep

unwashed potato! · 10 Apr 2021 at 19:30

Duke said:
I would put reforming the House of Lords above the Royal Family, personally.

Indeed. This is far more important.

robgmun said:
Well, they tried it by welcoming Megan with open arms (And they did before you came back with any pithy comeback) and she repaid them by being a manipulative gaslighter and **** on everyone's cornflakes. As usual going woke is a mistake and they won't be making that one again in our lifetimes.

Lol

Nevakonaza said:
Anyone else sick of hearing about this now, Yes its sad he's died BUT people die everyday. Time to move on!..i bet the news will drag this out for a good 2 weeks then a further 2 weeks going on about his funeral.

Honestly try looking else where. Don't want to sound insulting you, but honestly this is the only place I'm hearing about this.

It's not on Netflix, Disney, amazon prime, YouTube, twitch, xbox, pc games. Try other media. Given it happened yesterday my man what are you expecting?

LOAM · 10 Apr 2021 at 20:47

Lightnix said:
Even the crown estate website makes it clear that the crown estate is not the private property of the monarch, and for very obvious reason, so why do you think this?

George III's agreement with the Government over the estate allowed for it to be managed on behalf of the Government with the surplus revenue going to the Treasury, in return the monarch would receive a fixed annual payment. I would think as soon as this ended then ownership will revert back to the family.