US police thread

[Angilion]

All these armchair IT wizards saying “omfg how do you mistake a gun for a taser, incompetent idiots!?“ need to just pipe down. The hardest decision they have to make every day is whether to have soy or almond milk with their coffee.

If someone trained with and routinely carrying both a gun and a taser can mistake one for the other then one of those objects is designed incorrectly, their training is inadequate or they aren't at a high enough level of competence. Or a combination of the above. When the consequences of a mistake are a matter of life and death, adequate steps should be constantly in place to prevent that mistake.

They're often not, though. I watch a Youtube channel ("Plainly Difficult") that has short documentaries on various failures, often fatal and sometimes disastrous. Reactor meltdowns, criticality events, dam failures, etc. The prevailing theme is that adequate steps were not taken.

 

[MadMossy]

Mistakes do happen, were only human. Even the most highly trained SAS commandos makes mistakes from time to time.

This is nothing more than an accidental discharge of a firearm, it wasn't intended, it wasn't "police brutality" yada yada yada and it certainly wasn't white cop racist shootin up the hood.

 

[Roar87]

Oh no! Some of them "Tugged at barricades"!!!

Better get in a bunker.

I think deep down you know Trump was advised by Secret Service to go to the bunker due to their perception of a security threat based on intelligence, it's cool though I know you're just poking fun at someone you don't like

 

[Rroff]

I more rural areas of the UK fire arms units often pull double duty as traffic duties so that they can be kept mobile to cut down on response times when major police stations can be 30-40miles apart.
Or at least that is my understanding, I know there is a few serving officers on the board eho may be able to correct me.

I don't know the truth of it but I've seen armed response units turning up to stuff in rural Dorset/Somerset a fair bit which is often run of the mill stuff.

 

[Hotwired]

I don't know the truth of it but I've seen armed response units turning up to stuff in rural Dorset/Somerset a fair bit which is often run of the mill stuff.

 

[Terminal_Boy]

F111s were retired in the late 90s. Sorry - plane nerd here.

RAF Alconbury early 1980s. Right when CND were protesting outside all the USAF bases that were believed to have nuclear weapons deployed their.

My late father and I both had base passes of RAF Alconbury Rod & Gun Club having met up with some USAF clay shooters at RAF Chicksands previously and been invited to shoot with them. Now, my late father thought he knew the way from gate to sleet range and couldn’t be persuaded that he’d gotten us lost. Queue our world being suddenly filled with blue lights, MP trucks and MPs pointing M16s at us we where approaching the set of covered revetments where the F111s on ready status were parked.

A short explanation and showing of our passes followed by multiple apologies later, we were escorted to the sleet range. Next time we went there, there were “Skeet Range >” signs at every turn between gate and range, so I guess we weren’t the only lost Brits that weekend.

 

[Terminal_Boy]

That sounds like a 'moment'.

Yes. Adrenaline is brown.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

No point making a comparison really. On one hand you have a land that may as well be an episode of Cops set in the Shire, and the other being set in Mordor just to point out the typical levels of danger each could face on a daily.

I would hazard to say a UK police officer would be a terrible police officer in US and could put both themselfs and their colleagues lives at risk simply by being unaware of just how much danger they can face.

The USA also have a firearms team, they'll called the SWAT they'll go out on clear intelligence and usually apprehend people dead or alive if they can safetly do so. They don't go out to interact with the public.

That's not true because I game online with a cop and he is on their SWAT team and a regular cop. Admittedly he doesn't live in a city but more a town.

 

[Dem2k]

That's not true because I game online with a cop and he is on their SWAT team and a regular cop. Admittedly he doesn't live in a city but more a town.

Just checked and you are correct. They could be performing normal duties, however not all police officers are SWAT members, and nor should they have to be. They are called up to enlist themselfs in very dangerous situations that could go horribly wrong and human error can still happen even to the most highly trained.

 

[Bigpig]

I’ll see your cops with MP5s and raise you USAF Security Forces with M16s. Don’t get lost on USAF bases.

Turns out they take unauthorised people getting near active F111 flight lines very seriously.

That was back in early 2000's late 1990's and just a personal experience after a local shooting. They did have assault rilfes not sure what type. I remember them having brown or wooden barrels.

G36'S and Glocks are standard issues these days.

 

[TheVoice]

I more rural areas of the UK fire arms units often pull double duty as traffic duties so that they can be kept mobile to cut down on response times when major police stations can be 30-40miles apart.
Or at least that is my understanding, I know there is a few serving officers on the board eho may be able to correct me.

A few of forces have combined their Roads Policing and Firearms teams, and even in the ones that haven't it's normal for ARVs to get involved in roads policing given they're out driving around anyway, as most matters can be dealt with at the roadside fairly easily or handed over to another unit.

Up here there was a bit of resistance when Police Scotland said that their ARV officers would routinely carry their firearms (rather than being secured in the vehicle) and would engage in non-firearms duties. People wanted the weapons hidden away and the officers off the streets until needed. That was until Police Scotland started to document some of the non-firearms jobs those officers were involved in, including administering emergency medical care to people, using defibs on people suffering heart attacks etc. The critics went strangely silent after that.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Being reported she's resigned

 

[inferno]

Being reported she's resigned

She needs to go to jail

 

[Nitefly]

If someone trained with and routinely carrying both a gun and a taser can mistake one for the other then one of those objects is designed incorrectly, their training is inadequate or they aren't at a high enough level of competence. Or a combination of the above.

Perfectly put.

Training, recruitment and design should be adequate enough (knowing the foreseeable consequences) that instances such as this should not happen.

 

[The Running Man]

She needs to go to jail

Diversity hire nearly shoots diverse policeman trying and failing to handcuff a diverse criminal with outstanding warrant and ends up executing him while shouting 'taser taser taser'.

Epic fail.

 

[deuse]

Being reported she's resigned

And the police chief resigned and Mayor Mike Elliott fired the city manager for wanting due process.

So now they have no one in charge of the police. Nearly 300 have gone or on leave.
That city is about to crash and burn.

People who have money will leave asap.

"Wright then allegedly pulled a black handgun "with silver trim out from either his right waistband or his right coat pocket," pointed it at the woman and demanded the $820, the court documents say."

"Wright then allegedly choked the woman while trying to pull the cash out from under her bra, where she had tucked it away."

What a nice guy.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

And the police chief resigned and Mayor Mike Elliott fired the city manager for wanting due process.

So now they have no one in charge of the police. Nearly 300 have gone or on leave.
That city is about to crash and burn.

People who have money will leave asap.

"Wright then allegedly pulled a black handgun "with silver trim out from either his right waistband or his right coat pocket," pointed it at the woman and demanded the $820, the court documents say."

"Wright then allegedly choked the woman while trying to pull the cash out from under her bra, where she had tucked it away."

What a nice guy.

I think everyone has heard way too many of your prophecies that failed to come true. Lets wait and see shall we.

 

[Johno please?]

"Wright then allegedly pulled a black handgun "with silver trim out from either his right waistband or his right coat pocket," pointed it at the woman and demanded the $820, the court documents say."

"Wright then allegedly choked the woman while trying to pull the cash out from under her bra, where she had tucked it away."

What a nice guy.

Shhhh, we're supposed to be sad that criminals get shot.

 

[deuse]

I think everyone has heard way too many of your prophecies that failed to come true. Lets wait and see shall we.

"prophecies" please point me to them.
I'll wait.

I did tell people on here live when a hurricane hit the US what really was going to happen.
Against what the media said was going to happen. I won

 

[Blackjack Davy]

If someone trained with and routinely carrying both a gun and a taser can mistake one for the other then one of those objects is designed incorrectly, their training is inadequate or they aren't at a high enough level of competence. Or a combination of the above. When the consequences of a mistake are a matter of life and death, adequate steps should be constantly in place to prevent that mistake.

Part of the problem is that you have a society that openly permits handguns to be worn so police officers have to make a split second decision as to what they're going to do and I don't envy the pressure they must be under. Obviously that doesn't negate the fact that kneeling on someones neck for getting on for 10 minutes probably isn't going to end well but thats not a split second decision...