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[BallistixOnZ490]

Upon further investigation, it looks like it can only be classed as harassment if it's related to a protected characteristic. Otherwise it's bullying. So yeah you're kind of right, but that doesn't mean that bullying just goes unchecked.
To be clear I don't agree with the whole classification of harassment according to protected characteristics, but you can still get your employer in the **** even if it's not classified as such.

Thats exactly what I'm talking about here. I'm not going to take anything to the tribunal before going to HR.

The point is if anyone mocked my name today and I took it to HR, that person is immediately going to get sacked before I even need to go that far.

I'm not going to report someone just for talking about sports all the time, I'm going to do the same thing I did last time which is to tell them to STFU and leave me alone.

I would already tell them this in my interview under the 'what are your weaknesses' question - I am single focused and dedicate myself to my work and get everything done 100%. However I cannot do this if I am distracted with small talk such as hobbies, interests or the weather while I am supposed to be working. This isn't ever a problem with customers because I simply stop what I am doing and focus on helping the customer with my full attention'.

 

[ChroniC]

'Working relationships'

Not 'Lets talk about crap I have no interest in' relationships.

I have asked the NHS constantly to be tested for ADHD / Autism, they say I can't have either because I have a degree and talk to them fine in my appointments.

On the other hand if I talk about my interests all day long, nobody wants to hear it. What makes people think I want to hear their crap then if they won't put up with mine?

There's a word for what you describe, it's rude.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

Yeah, definitely get tested. You sound like a nightmare to work with, communicating professionally and informally is important.

Actually I communicate 'professionally' without any problem. Sports, hobbies and interests are not 'professional'.

 

[Ayahuasca]

Actually I communicate 'professionally' without any problem. Sports, hobbies and interests are not 'professional'.

I didn’t state they were, the informally part would cover that at the end of the bit you quoted.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

I didn’t state they were, the informally part would cover that at the end of the bit you quoted.

'If you want to talk about that (football / weather / etc), then feel free to ask me again during my lunch break or after work. Unfortunately I cannot talk about things and do my work at the same time'.

Is that ok?

 

[Ayahuasca]

'If you want to talk about that (football / weather / etc), then feel free to ask me again during my lunch break or after work. Unfortunately I cannot talk about things and do my work at the same time'.

Is that ok?

You can try it but it likely won’t sit well with colleagues. Rightly or wrongly they’ll see it as an excuse as most people can small talk and still get their days work done.

If you genuinely believe you’ve got ADD or other conditions then get tested instead of letting it fester in the back of your mind. At the very least it could give you some form of closure.

A guy I used to work with didn’t get an autism diagnoses until his 40’s. He went from being an outcast in the office to accepted after letting people know. Prior to that, people just assumed he was arrogant, rude or aloof.

 

[Roar87]

'If you want to talk about that (football / weather / etc), then feel free to ask me again during my lunch break or after work. Unfortunately I cannot talk about things and do my work at the same time'.

Is that ok?

Maybe this is a cultural thing because in the UK people do talk during work, there isn't a need to be 100% focused on work 100% of the time generally speaking, businesses employ people not robots. Normally at the start of our daily teams meeting we'll talk rubbish for the first 5-10 minutes, it's pretty normal. I've met some good friends through work who I would speak to every day and still catch up with and meet for drinks even though we stopped working together 4 years ago.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

You can try it but it likely won’t sit well with colleagues. Rightly or wrongly they’ll see it as an excuse as most people can small talk and still get their days work done.

If you genuinely believe you’ve got ADD or other conditions then get tested instead of letting it fester in the back of your mind. At the very least it could give you some form of closure.

A guy I used to work with didn’t get an autism diagnoses until his 40’s. He went from being an outcast in the office to accepted after letting people know. Prior to that, people just assumed he was arrogant, rude or aloof.

NHS literally wont offer me testing. I've had 3 referrals to ASD services rejected because theres no evidence I have it. I have made a claim against them for this and it is being investigated still.

Maybe this is a cultural thing because in the UK people do talk during work, there isn't a need to be 100% focused on work 100% of the time generally speaking, businesses employ people not robots. Normally at the start of our daily teams meeting we'll talk rubbish for the first 5-10 minutes, it's pretty normal. I've met some good friends through work who I would speak to every day and still catch up with and meet for drinks even though we stopped working together 4 years ago.

But then I'm told I'm too slow and don't get enough work done?

 

[Surveyor]

NHS literally wont offer me testing. I've had 3 referrals to ASD services rejected because theres no evidence I have it. I have made a claim against them for this and it is being investigated still.

It seems quite reasonable to not waste time, money and resources testing people for things there's no evidence they have. What claim have you made for this non-testing?

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

It seems quite reasonable to not waste time, money and resources testing people for things there's no evidence they have. What claim have you made for this non-testing?

I cant remember the name of it, but theres an official Autism society thing I emailed for advice. They told me its a legal requirement since (year) for all adults in the UK to be allowed access to autism / ADHD testing, and that this was the first legislation of its kind.

The NHS have breached that law 3 times for me.

They also told me that most NHS staff use out of date criteria for assessing Autism, hence my being told 'you can't have autism because you have a degree and are talking to me fine right now'.

Under the latest criteria, I do have all the symptoms of 'Higher Functioning Autism / Asperger's Syndrome', but thats currently only based on a mere self diagnosis.

I was advised by this society thing to make sure I get seen by an 'autism specialist', but the NHS won't let me.

I found them in my inbox, the advice is from these people https://www.autism.org.uk

If I did manage to get an autism diagnosis, I could put my inability to engage in small talk as a reasonable adjustment. Without it I cant.

 

[Surveyor]

I cant remember the name of it, but theres an official Autism society thing I emailed for advice. They told me its a legal requirement since (year) for all adults in the UK to be allowed access to autism / ADHD testing, and that this was the first legislation of its kind.

The NHS have breached that law 3 times for me.

They also told me that most NHS staff use out of date criteria for assessing Autism, hence my being told 'you can't have autism because you have a degree and are talking to me fine right now'.

Under the latest criteria, I do have all the symptoms of 'Higher Functioning Autism / Asperger's Syndrome', but thats currently only based on a mere self diagnosis.

I was advised by this society thing to make sure I get seen by an 'autism specialist', but the NHS won't let me.

I found them in my inbox, the advice is from these people https://www.autism.org.uk

If I did manage to get an autism diagnosis, I could put my inability to engage in small talk as a reasonable adjustment. Without it I cant.

There's no legal requirement to test adults where there's no evidence. For autism the NICE guidelines state that:

an assessment of possible autism should be carried out if the person has “one or more of the following”:

• Persistent difficulties in social interaction
• Persistent difficulties in social communication
• Stereotypic (rigid and repetitive) behaviours, resistance to change or restricted interests, and

One or more of the following:

• Problems in obtaining or sustaining employment or education
• Difficulties in initiating or sustaining social relationships
• Previous or current contact with mental health or learning disability services
• A history of a neurodevelopmental condition (including learning disabilities and attention deficit disorder) or mental disorder” (1.2.2)

If two or more of the above difficulties are being experience then a comprehensive assessment should be offered. A comprehensive assessment of autism would include diagnostic, risk and needs assessments.

If you are experiencing two or more of these difficulties and you are not offered a comprehensive assessment of autism, ask your GP or a health professional for one.

To get back to my question, what are you actually claiming for this non-testing?

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

There's no legal requirement to test adults where there's no evidence. For autism the NICE guidelines state that:



To get back to my question, what are you actually claiming for this non-testing?

I'm not going to answer the second question because I'm an idiot that asked for too much (as per other stuff).

I'm already diagnosed with mental heath things I don't want to mention online, and 6 different seratonin class medications over more than 10 years let have not worked.

I meet every criteria under those NICE guidelines you provided and have done for the time I have been on the aforementioned medications.

Could you please provide me with a link to where you got those guidelines so I can print the official document to show to my G.P?

 

[Surveyor]

I'm not going to answer the second question because I'm an idiot that asked for too much (as per other stuff).

I'm already diagnosed with mental heath things I don't want to mention online, and 6 different seratonin class medications over more than 10 years let have not worked.

I meet every criteria under those NICE guidelines you provided and have done for the time I have been on the aforementioned medications.

Could you please provide me with a link to where you got those guidelines so I can print the official document to show to my G.P?

I'm not sure why you're seeking financial compensation, surely you should be conentrating on getting tested.

Anyway, https://livingautism.com/autism-rights/

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

I'm not sure why you're seeking financial compensation, surely you should be conentrating on getting tested.

Anyway, https://livingautism.com/autism-rights/

I've concentrated on getting tested for more than 5 years and they wont, hence its gone to NHS complaints / claims with a Senior Case Manager with NHS resolutions.

 

[Skunkworks]

This thread's meant to wind-up the libs, not give them free therapy!

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

This thread's meant to wind-up the libs, not give them free therapy!

Ah.

 

[Surveyor]

I've concentrated on getting tested for more than 5 years and they wont, hence its gone to NHS complaints / claims with a Senior Case Manager with NHS resolutions.

I hope you get appropriate testing etc. but not any financial compensation if that's what you're after.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

I hope you get appropriate testing etc. but not any financial compensation if that's what you're after.

5+ years of medical neglect for my mental health and solicitors said its worth over half a million so ...

 

[Brookert]

Back on topic.

Question: do you feel society is more cohesive or less cohesive than 20 years ago?

I would firmly say the latter, but I would wouldn't I #checkyourprivilege.

 

[Surveyor]

5+ years of medical neglect for my mental health and solicitors said its worth over half a million so ...

Cool. The same solicitors who advised you should have a free house because your toilet isn't painted and couldn't advise you about the autism testing guidelines?