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Greebo · 8 May 2021 at 12:31

Thats the big issue with Tesla cars, the materials and build quality are iffy. Now the rest have caught up they are better alternatives for the money for every car in the Tesla range yet hes still confident that 1 out of every 2 cars sold in the Western world will be a Tesla by 2030 and the shareholders believe him.

Nasher · 8 May 2021 at 14:26

I don't think that would even be good quality 15-20 years ago though. It's just lots of cheap grey plastics.

theone8181 · 8 May 2021 at 19:22

Greebo said:
Thats the big issue with Tesla cars, the materials and build quality are iffy. Now the rest have caught up they are better alternatives for the money for every car in the Tesla range yet hes still confident that 1 out of every 2 cars sold in the Western world will be a Tesla by 2030 and the shareholders believe him.

What better alternatives? In terms of performance there's only the taycan, everything else is quite slow (relativly). I'm thinking model 3/s for comparison.

Basher · 8 May 2021 at 19:28

theone8181 said:
What better alternatives? In terms of performance there's only the taycan, everything else is quite slow (relativly). I'm thinking model 3/s for comparison.

The Polestar can do 0-60 in about 4.1 seconds which is fairly similar to the M3 I think.

theone8181 · 8 May 2021 at 19:40

Basher said:
The Polestar can do 0-60 in about 4.1 seconds which is fairly similar to the M3 I think.

I'd forgotten about that 1 tbh. I know the ipace (or epace) is under 5. Being pedantic though, how many are under 3? I've read the build quality on the tesla is their achellies heel though.

Jonnycoupe · 8 May 2021 at 19:47

theone8181 said:
What better alternatives? In terms of performance there's only the taycan, everything else is quite slow (relativly). I'm thinking model 3/s for comparison.

To be honest I’m finding the performance only significantly better at low speed (as expected) but it’s quite inconsistent, I have loads of overtaking punch regardless but there’s an unknown amount compared to my car which is far more consistent in the power delivered against throttle demand. In the wet the grip is still incredible and you do have a real awareness the car is pushing all of you back, not just head, which is a new experience - ive moved seat forward to compensate. Haven’t managed to find steering column adjust but have found the whoopee cushion... :cry:

I’ll stick some more charge in tonight as 50% but feels like it needs max battery more so than others for the full experience.

Jonnycoupe · 8 May 2021 at 20:02

Basher said:
The Polestar can do 0-60 in about 4.1 seconds which is fairly similar to the M3 I think.

Ford Mach E GT is quick too. 3.5-3.7 quoted

Simon · 8 May 2021 at 20:07

theone8181 said:
I'd forgotten about that 1 tbh. I know the ipace (or epace) is under 5. Being pedantic though, how many are under 3? I've read the build quality on the tesla is their achellies heel though.

Why do you need 0-60 in under 3 sec on these type of cars anyway.

Nasher · 8 May 2021 at 20:12

Incase you need to compete in F1. But only for 10 minutes

Housey · 8 May 2021 at 20:41

I thing taking 6 seconds and lasting 50% longer is a better compromise.

Hotwired · 8 May 2021 at 20:53

Couldn't take a picture :<

Spotted the plate DE11BOY on a yellow Lamborghini parked up in the supermarket.

tom_nieto · 8 May 2021 at 21:21

For a car that does 0-60 in 2.5 seconds the interior is dull as ditchwater! It just doesn't seem premium at all... perhaps utilitarian is the look that they were going for. I hope it's better to drive than it is to look at!

dlockers · 8 May 2021 at 21:26

I think you guys are over indexing on the opposite reasons of why folk buy Tesla.

theone8181 · 9 May 2021 at 07:51

Simon said:
Why do you need 0-60 in under 3 sec on these type of cars anyway.

It's not needed, but I was doing an accurate comparison, I'm trying to ignore suv/crossovers as they're a pointless class of car :cry:

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Jonnycoupe · 9 May 2021 at 08:40

theone8181 said:
It's not needed, but I was doing an accurate comparison, I'm trying to ignore suv/crossovers as they're a pointless class of car.

pointless if you don’t want a shorter car with more room and comfort in the back: that’s my conclusion between the Model S and IPACE...

Simon · 9 May 2021 at 09:33

theone8181 said:
It's not needed, but I was doing an accurate comparison, I'm trying to ignore suv/crossovers as they're a pointless class of car.

Rubbish to say they are pointless. Sorry

Anyway SUV ideal for EV. More height for the battery pack and the low down mass doesn’t impact the handling dynamics as much as ICE would.

Antipasti · 9 May 2021 at 10:25

Hotwired said:
Couldn't take a picture :<

Spotted the plate DE11BOY on a yellow Lamborghini parked up in the supermarket.

Was this is the Plymouth area?

Hotwired · 9 May 2021 at 10:27

Antipasti said:
Was this is the Plymouth area?

Yep

Was it you

Antipasti · 9 May 2021 at 10:40

I think it's Chris Dawson, or his sons. Owner of The Range.

theone8181 · 9 May 2021 at 12:37

Simon said:
Rubbish to say they are pointless. Sorry

Anyway SUV ideal for EV. More height for the battery pack and the low down mass doesn’t impact the handling dynamics as much as ICE would.

I just don't see the pull compared to say a hatchback or an estate, but looking at the types of car on the road I guess I'm a minority :cry:

. I agree batteries will lower the centre of gravity, but then that would be the same as for a normal height of car. Not sure why they'd have more comfort either. Ultimately you can't beat physics and they have more body roll than the equivalent hatchback/saloon version.