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If you read my post, you'll see that I'm not
There is a sub-population of people that are not capable, no matter how much support they are given, of functioning in society
Poverty rate among working households in UK is highest ever
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If you read my post, you'll see that I'm not
There is a sub-population of people that are not capable, no matter how much support they are given, of functioning in society
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Bring back corporal punishment in schools.
BUT it's the parents who get the cane, not the kids.
I guess Mr Jones might encourage better behaviour in his children after 6 of the best with a length of lead piping at morning assembly.
Double canings for truancy, so they don't take the easy way out.
My sister's never worked a day in her life. I'm astounded as to how she's gotten away with it.
Where is the incentive to work?
We have one of the worst housing markets anywhere, and we refuse to take the necessary steps, like banning foreign investors from speculating on it, or banning corporations from owning residential property.
We won't ever do that. It's too socialist. Housing is just another asset class to generate revenue for the already rich. Tories won't even let councils build (and keep) new housing stock.
indeed FoxEye.
When has it ever been different?! Are you will fully ignorant to basic economic and housing policy history or are you 25 years old and think that that’s when time began?
Look at the post war effort that resulted the NHS and massive socialist policies that successfully created the gigantic boom in housing, jobs and utilities. When you could actually be proud of being British for something you were participating in just by existing in Britain’s society.
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32. I assume the “i’m alright jack” attitude has long been a common attitude, thats what i was referring too.
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I don't think there's any reason why you couldn't, provided they actually fielded a candidate in an English constituency.
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Weird, I dont think I typed that.
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In another life, perhaps.
No, pre 80’s when Thatcher sold off the entire state owned property for short term profit and to create wealth for private companies that donated to Tory governments long term, Britain has a massive council housing stock and public utilities.
These were driven into the ground as an excuse to then sell them, either to friends or for a quick buck to eventually be purchased by the already wealthy, who have made a profit from them ever since.
Soldato
Could get a surprise on retirement then.
Soldato
I've read about half the posts.
Is the whole thread talking about people on benefits?
The OP is talking about in-work poor, i.e. people with jobs.
Is the whole thread talking about people on benefits?
The OP is talking about in-work poor, i.e. people with jobs.
Caporegime
I can't tell if I'm just missing it or not but what does the report actually define 'poverty'
as being?
as being?
Soldato
Relative poverty is sometimes measured before housing costs, and sometimes after.
Implicitly, this report is using after housing costs (which is a much better measure).
Don
Crikey, that means I'll appear in relative poverty stats
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From the article it sounds like if you're renting you're in poverty lol
Soldato
The reality is that we (the UK) are poor, not rich. What we spend is already unaffordable before covid, let alone now.
Everyone i have observed who is "poor" but working (i only observe people at work) just spend all of their money. Frequently i hear "payday is X day" Because they operate in phases.
Splash out after payday.. Then barely afford anything in the last week or so. Atleast most of them pay their bills first. But while the splashing out might stick in your mind, it is the small things that add up very quickly.
£147 is 2 days a week on minimum wage, that is not "working"
Everyone i have observed who is "poor" but working (i only observe people at work) just spend all of their money. Frequently i hear "payday is X day" Because they operate in phases.
Splash out after payday.. Then barely afford anything in the last week or so. Atleast most of them pay their bills first. But while the splashing out might stick in your mind, it is the small things that add up very quickly.
£147 is 2 days a week on minimum wage, that is not "working"
Caporegime
Exactly. It's all well and good saying x amount of people are in poverty but without defining poverty or providing a definition that doesn't correlate with what the majority of the population would define as poverty then its meaningless.
You're just make up nonsense, for example, the BT privatisation, this was open for anyone to participate in:
Advert from the initial flotation in the mid-80s:
Advert re: the government selling another chunk of its remaining shares in 1991:
Man of Honour
The relative poverty rate is a valid metric, but the Guardian isn't using it right. The fact that they steer clear from even stating that it's only relative poverty being reported shows that they're not interested in actually informing their readership. But we already knew that.
:edit: turns out chrome was being weird, and they actually do state it very clearly! Just goes to show how quickly one can accept something they want to see expect to see instead of looking deeper.
:edit: turns out chrome was being weird, and they actually do state it very clearly! Just goes to show how quickly one can accept something they want to see expect to see instead of looking deeper.