New cat 6 wiring in house

[lee1101]

My thread might be of use to you, I had similar questions when I was doing the same and had some very helpful suggestions:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/threads/home-networking-help.18773524/

 

[A G]

Hello
Thanks for all the help so far, i haven't yet got around to attempt the cat 6 job
But I have a different issue, I had asked my builder to run cat 6cables for me for my CCTV but he has run these black cables, I have no idea what they are, and I very much doubt I can use them for PoE cameras?
Please advise, hes done all the work and closed things off so no even sure what my options are now - I cannot see any option to upload images on here?

 

[WJA96]

The image hasn’t shown up but black cables are a good start because black is the default colour for outdoor quality cables. You can get non-black UV-resistant outdoor cable but it tends to be very expensive. Most surveillance cameras only need a 100Mbps connection so even if the builder has run CAT5e it’s still more than adequate.

 

[A G]

Nope they are definitely not network cables - from googling it appears they are coaxial - i presume this is a problem if i was looking at getting PoE CCTVs

 

[WJA96]

Nope they are definitely not network cables - from googling it appears they are coaxial - i presume this is a problem if i was looking at getting PoE CCTVs

Oh. Well, yes, that's the end of your PoE IP Camera dream but on the bright side you can run Power over Co-Ax (PoC) HDCVI analogue cameras which are available in most of the same models as IP cameras but are usually half the price. So that's positive.

 

[WJA96]

Is it just Co-Ax or is there a second two-core cable in the run as well? If that's the case then you can run any HDCVI camera.

 

[A G]

Its such a shame I cannot send you guys a pic of the cables

Its 2 cables one has red and the other from the pic i have taken i can only see silver

What do i lose over PoE if its PoC I go for?

 

[WJA96]

Does it look like this stuff?

https://www.kenable.co.uk/en/cctv-s...gun-lead-black-250m-004617-5055383446179.html

That's HDCVI shotgun cable which is fine for any kind of HDCVI camera.

If it looks like this

https://www.kenable.co.uk/en/cctv-s...lid-reel-black-100m-004786-5055383447862.html

Then it's PoC cameras only.

HDCVI is very good. The cameras go up to 32MP these days and you lose no functionality versus IP cameras really.

 

[A G]

Ah, I haven't opened them to check but I would say similar to the 2nd link which means PoC CCTVs only - ah the entire project seems to be going from bad to worst from what I was anticipating to what how its all turning out

 

[WJA96]

Can you see what is written on the cable? I’m sure it’s not that bad. In terms of PoC you can get cameras up to 8MP/4K and you won’t need a PoE switch because the XVR will power the cameras directly. And the cameras are much cheaper than the equivalent IP cameras.

 

[WJA96]

And if you asked the builder to run CAT6 and he ran Co-Ax then you always have the option of telling the builder to run the CAT6 you paid for.

 

[A G]

Well I didnt pay him for the cables, but told him via messages and verbally i want cat 6 for CCTV - as everything is open in the house, i have the option of still running cat6, probs cannot run them to the original location of the NVR i had planned (the loft), but I can change its location and still run cat 6 without having to chisel walls to get cables through..... im not sure though if its worth the effort, mate said he defo would change to cat6 while most floor boards are open - i'm really in 2 minds.
builder claims this is what all cctv cables are like, so he clearly isnt with the times of IP cameras

 

[A G]

Can you see what is written on the cable? I’m sure it’s not that bad. In terms of PoC you can get cameras up to 8MP/4K and you won’t need a PoE switch because the XVR will power the cameras directly. And the cameras are much cheaper than the equivalent IP cameras.

Hey
I have check and this is what is says on the cable

Mercury RG59b/LI 75 SHOTGUN COAXIL CABLE - FORM FILLED PE - SOLID OFC CONDUCTOR - CCA BRAID 097M

 

[ANDARIAL]

Hey
I have check and this is what is says on the cable

Mercury RG59b/LI 75 SHOTGUN COAXIL CABLE - FORM FILLED PE - SOLID OFC CONDUCTOR - CCA BRAID 097M

CCA
Copper Clad Aluminium

 

[A G]

CCA
Copper Clad Aluminium

I assume this is not good?

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Can’t you use the coax to pull through CAT5e (plenty for cctv)?

 

[WJA96]

Hey
I have check and this is what is says on the cable

Mercury RG59b/LI 75 SHOTGUN COAXIL CABLE - FORM FILLED PE - SOLID OFC CONDUCTOR - CCA BRAID 097M

That’s fine for any HDCVI camera system. So you can either power the cameras over PoC or use a separate 12V power supply to feed the cameras.

Have a look here to see the kind of cameras you could install with that cable. https://www.securitydynamics.co.uk/hdcvi-cameras

Don’t worry about the CCA.

 

[WJA96]

Can’t you use the coax to pull through CAT5e (plenty for cctv)?

What is the benefit of an IP surveillance camera over an HDCVI one?

 

[b0rn2sk8]

None but is he was dead set on IP cameras then that is an option.

 

[A G]

That’s fine for any HDCVI camera system. So you can either power the cameras over PoC or use a separate 12V power supply to feed the cameras.

Have a look here to see the kind of cameras you could install with that cable. https://www.securitydynamics.co.uk/hdcvi-cameras

Don’t worry about the CCA.

Thanks, so the comment about CCA is not much of concern?

I'll have a look at the up until I thought he was going to install Cat 6 cables, i was looking at Hikvision motion and color view night vision with 2 way audio, but I cannot find the equivalent to those CCTVs. Contacted one of the suppliers and he mentioned purchasing some next thing £120 each whcih was like a converter - That isn't happening I was planning on having 7 CCTVs


I'm contemplating pulling CAT6 via the Coax, especially as the floor boards are open - but I could end up getting stuck half way and