If Miss Bolt meets the governing bodies requirements/guidelines, it would be a glorious second career.
Transgender MTF picked for Olympics weightlifting
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If Miss Bolt meets the governing bodies requirements/guidelines, it would be a glorious second career.
Soldato
The worlds before her injury she finished 2nd, with a lower total than what she would gone on to get in 2019
Soldato
Those rules are wrong and are based on poor/ incomplete scientific data and a wish to kowtow to the transgender 'inclusivity' movement that advocates for transgender inclusion by arguing that the process of transition decreases male advantage considerably and that physical differences between athletes mean there is never a truly level playing field.
This argument has recently been shown in a scientific study published in Sport Medicine to be completely untrue and that the decrease in advantage is in fact only moderate.
Now the IOC can obviously only make the rules based on the best data available to them at the time. This data has now changed and in the spirit of fairness I would expect to see them change the rules to once again exclude transgender women from the natal women classes - especially in sports like power lifting where the differences are significant and not ignorable.
So a biological women was denied a silver medal and another one was kicked off the podium and denied the joy of being in the top 3. Got you.
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I feel bad for the women competing, but surely they will eventually form a collective boycott & demand trans are excluded from participating within the woman classification? Guess it depends when the balance between women's rights & trans rights tips sufficiently, so they're not immediately 'cancelled' for speaking out.
Soldato
I'm not saying whether it's right or wrong, to be honest I don't think she should be allowed to compete since she had the advantage of training and competing as a man up to her 30s. It's some posters have got it in her head that she will turn up and throw up a 50kg heavier lift than the other competitors, Hubbard will be competitive but she's not massively in front of the rest.
Caporegime
Should only be allowed if they converted before puberty and even still there may be slight advantages. It's hilarious how people in the thread believe the IOC and other bodies are the be-all and end-all of this issue and there are no serious flaws in the science they are using.
Soldato
There's already been a few competitors speak out against it, I think your right that it will take a boycott from others for the rule to be reconsidered.
Technically not really true, if "she" was lifting in feds as a woman before this the test levels would have been high enough to have her banned from any competition sports, their is a lot of rope being given here to allow them to compete.
WOudl be like saying to the other females " Hey take year off, run test non stop and GH for a year, then clear it out of you system a week before testing, and that's okay.
Also, seem to be falling back on technicalities all of a sudden, when for over the lat 2 decades IOC have stripped competitors for "not being in the spirit of the sport", and not based on any testing.
Soldato
A lot of posters seem to be missing this point, the controversy around Hubbard isn't simply that she used to be a man. It's her background of lifting as a Male going into her transition.
Caporegime
To add, how can we make it fair so that white people have a chance of ever winning a medal again.
Its probably worth noting that a white woman also has no chance of winning a gold medal in the 100m, 200m etc
Its probably worth noting that a white woman also has no chance of winning a gold medal in the 100m, 200m etc
Soldato
And if you do, then you're basically a rapist and should stop objectifying women!
#metoo
It's a fair point. Also, many are missing the point that the IOC set the rules and guidelines which would have been met and adhered to for her to be able to compete.
We may not like the rules/guidelines but we don't make them and we hope/trust they have been adhered to.
Soldato
Cliff notes:
- A demonstration of how a completely unremarkable male lifter at national level (or was it even just regional level?) can jostle with international elites when competing against women.
- Hubbard is 43. No woman has ever competed at the Olympics in WL'ing past about 35 IIRC and even then most of the top 10 women are almost always in their 20's. Gold-medal favourite Li Wenwen is 21. This is Bobby Riggs stuff.
- Hubbard won't win gold because average male with age-related strength decline and sloppy technique does not quite overcome coming up against the most elite women with incredible technique. Li Wenwen of China, whose total greatly exceeds what Hubbard is capable of will not be troubled. Hubbard MIGHT medal 2nd or 3rd purely due to the absence of some other lifters due to various reasons.
- Worth noting the following: WL'ing is divided into 10 weight classes per sex, of which 7 are contested at Olympic level. On the women's side ONLY and ONLY the +87kg / weight-unlimited women lift more in the snatch and clean and jerk than the SMALLEST two male classes, 51kg and 61kg. That is, until the women are hitting massive scale weights (Li Wenwen is 148kg) they are ALL left in the dust by men and they themselves are left in the dust by men as soon as you hit the 67kg class and beyond.
- A demonstration of how a completely unremarkable male lifter at national level (or was it even just regional level?) can jostle with international elites when competing against women.
- Hubbard is 43. No woman has ever competed at the Olympics in WL'ing past about 35 IIRC and even then most of the top 10 women are almost always in their 20's. Gold-medal favourite Li Wenwen is 21. This is Bobby Riggs stuff.
- Hubbard won't win gold because average male with age-related strength decline and sloppy technique does not quite overcome coming up against the most elite women with incredible technique. Li Wenwen of China, whose total greatly exceeds what Hubbard is capable of will not be troubled. Hubbard MIGHT medal 2nd or 3rd purely due to the absence of some other lifters due to various reasons.
- Worth noting the following: WL'ing is divided into 10 weight classes per sex, of which 7 are contested at Olympic level. On the women's side ONLY and ONLY the +87kg / weight-unlimited women lift more in the snatch and clean and jerk than the SMALLEST two male classes, 51kg and 61kg. That is, until the women are hitting massive scale weights (Li Wenwen is 148kg) they are ALL left in the dust by men and they themselves are left in the dust by men as soon as you hit the 67kg class and beyond.
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This is ridiculous, The advantages are obvious and they should be banned from competing with women.
Soldato
I think there was an MMA fighter.
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