Transgender MTF picked for Olympics weightlifting

Chuk_Chuk · 21 Jun 2021 at 14:34

MikeTheNative said:
I'm not saying whether it's right or wrong, to be honest I don't think she should be allowed to compete since she had the advantage of training and competing as a man up to her 30s. It's some posters have got it in her head that she will turn up and throw up a 50kg heavier lift than the other competitors, Hubbard will be competitive but she's not massively in front of the rest.

Fair enough, i rescind my sarcastic ending.

Chuk_Chuk · 21 Jun 2021 at 14:38

The Running Man said:
To add, how can we make it fair so that white people have a chance of ever winning a medal again.

Its probably worth noting that a white woman also has no chance of winning a gold medal in the 100m, 200m etc

Swings and roundabouts.
Running medals are for black people, swimming medals are for white people.

Somnambulist · 21 Jun 2021 at 14:41

The World Athletic Championships in Doha, 29 September 2019. The 4x400 mixed relay final (2 men and 2 women per team) sees Poland, with a female runner, start the last leg with at least a five-second lead. Most teams chose this strategy: Male Female Female Male. So they chose a male for a good head start and a male as the last anchor to hold in their position. However, Poland decided to do: Male Male Female Female Their strategy was trying to get a large enough lead in order for the last female anchor to be able to hold out...

robgmun · 21 Jun 2021 at 14:42

Dis86 said:
Saw that article this morning and just laughed. A feminists nightmare.

Part of me wants this to happen to bring those feminists down a peg or two. The whining is delicious

Junglist · 21 Jun 2021 at 14:50

The Running Man said:
To add, how can we make it fair so that white people have a chance of ever winning a medal again.

Its probably worth noting that a white woman also has no chance of winning a gold medal in the 100m, 200m etc

In the swimming they do. As long as Phelps is alive no one else stands a chance

edit: @Chuk_Chuk beat me to it

deuse · 21 Jun 2021 at 14:51

Nasher said:
Just make an "other" catagory, so we can ignore it.

Or pronoun events

MatsyLR · 21 Jun 2021 at 14:53

Somnambulist said:

But that doesn't fit the narrative! GET IT OUT OF HERE!!!
Cherry speeding past her was funny.

robgmun · 21 Jun 2021 at 14:54

mcast123 said:
10% of people are gay, it doesn't change their sex but something different is going on.

6% see themselves as LGBTQ+, I always thought they greatly exaggerated the amount gay people back in the 90's when growing up but a recent survay showed that only 6% see themselves as anything other than straight.

robgmun · 21 Jun 2021 at 15:00

MadMossy said:
I hope all the actual women, refuse to compete on the day and just walk off.

I'm surprised this hasn't happened yet, I'm sure a few of them have thought this but it won't make any impact unless they all walk out.

Nasher · 21 Jun 2021 at 15:04

Yep, they will only sort it out when the viewer ratings and sponsorship money dries up.

robgmun · 21 Jun 2021 at 15:05

fendi said:
has any trans dude gone into women's boxing yet? or mma?

Yes, and it was brutal.

simc1978 · 21 Jun 2021 at 15:05

Seems that an enormously disproportionate amount of gammon in justice is being levelled at one trans athlete when other factors such as the month of your birth have far more impact on a persons likelihood to make it to the elite level. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_age_effect

Dis86 · 21 Jun 2021 at 15:06

fendi said:
has any trans dude gone into women's boxing yet? or mma?

Yeah. It went as expected.

MikeTheNative · 21 Jun 2021 at 15:07

It's one 40+ competitor for now, she will only make one Olympics , we will see how long for other Male to Female athletes to come along and it to become more of a deal.

simc1978 · 21 Jun 2021 at 15:08

MatsyLR said:
But that doesn't fit the narrative! GET IT OUT OF HERE!!!
Cherry speeding past her was funny.

In the context of this thread that seems an entirely false comparison as presumably the male athletes in that race didn't have their testosterone levels artificially limited.

Roar87 · 21 Jun 2021 at 15:15

MikeTheNative said:
It's one 40+ competitor for now, she will only make one Olympics , we will see how long for other Male to Female athletes to come along and it to become more of a deal.

Surely in something as highly competitive as the Olympics one unfair competitor being allowed to compete is already destroying the integrity of the competition. It's literally just a matter of time until there's no such thing as female athletics, so there will be no female athletes. If the women's category isn't protected from people who are basically cheaters then it's pointless any women showing up.

MikeTheNative · 21 Jun 2021 at 15:20

Roar87 said:
Surely in a something as highly competitive as the Olympics one unfair competitor being allowed to compete is already destroying the integrity of the competition. It's literally just a matter of time until there's no such thing as female athletics, so there will be no female athletes. If the women's category isn't protected from people who are basically cheaters then it's pointless any women showing up.

I don't think having one competitor in weight lifting event will be much of a deal tbh (to public perception). As I said, if it ends up there are other MtF athletes then it will be scrutinised a lot more and it may sway public perception (this is what the ICO cares about at the end of the day). But if it's just Hubbard this year then there's none next Olympics it will be at the back of the public's minds.

Roar87 · 21 Jun 2021 at 15:24

MikeTheNative said:
I don't think having one competitor in weight lifting event will be much of a deal tbh (to public perception). As I said, if it ends up there are other MtF athletes then it will be scrutinised a lot more and it may sway public perception (this is what the ICO cares about at the end of the day). But if it's just Hubbard this year then there's none next Olympics it will be at the back of the public's minds.

What if Hubbard breaks some records, how do you think the women who held those records will feel? Should there be an asterix next to Hubbards name stating that she was born male? In basically every single event, a man could choose to compete as a woman and break world records, and because of the accolades at stake that will inevitably happen, so how does female athletics have any integrity at all? It no longer does and I feel sorry for any girl growing up who wants to be a professional athlete.

Tony Edwards · 21 Jun 2021 at 15:25

deuse said:
So he failed as a man and now trying to batt for the other side.

Maybe its about time you gave it a go and see if it works out for you as well.

fendi · 21 Jun 2021 at 15:32

Dis86 said:
Yeah. It went as expected.

i remember when they were talking about ronda rousey taking on floyd mayweather. that would have been a good fight