Marvel Phase 4

MissChief · 10 Jun 2021 at 13:21

fez said:
I didn't mean actors, I meant characters. Most of that IP was grade A stuff. Thor, Iron man, Hulk, Captain America, Spiderman. They brought in some second tier characters as part of the Avengers stuff before broadening their case but you only have to look at a film like end game to see how much people value the characters. It was an OK film but people raved about it because it was the finale to this phase and had emotional endings for their favourite characters.

Like I said, who knows, it might go well but I'm not convinced at the moment. Disney has been placing too much value on the wrong things for a few years now in their films so we will have to see what happens.

Don’t forget when Marvel were flat broke in the late 90’s and early 2000’s that Sony had the chance to take their pick of any of the Marvel stable. And decided no one cared about anyone other than Spiderman. Oops. Mind you I doubt anyone would have had the balls back then to create a 20+ series of movies with an overarching timeline and plot. Even Warner Brothers keep changing their mind and rebooting DC every so often or creating new timeline movies which just adds to the casual fans confusion.

aardvark · 10 Jun 2021 at 14:30

fez said:
I didn't mean actors, I meant characters. Most of that IP was grade A stuff. Thor, Iron man, Hulk, Captain America, Spiderman. They brought in some second tier characters as part of the Avengers stuff before broadening their case but you only have to look at a film like end game to see how much people value the characters. It was an OK film but people raved about it because it was the finale to this phase and had emotional endings for their favourite characters.

Like I said, who knows, it might go well but I'm not convinced at the moment. Disney has been placing too much value on the wrong things for a few years now in their films so we will have to see what happens.

iron man has never been grade A in the comics, and prior to a few years ago thor hadn't been popular since the 80's. Hulk was hardly popular either.
Its all about spiderman and the xmen - they have always been marvels top properties.

I think the problem is the actors - finding people with the charm and personality to pull it off will be difficult - just look at how mant garbage super hero films there are.

LiE · 25 Jun 2021 at 07:51

Shang Chi trailer. The story looks pretty cookie cutter tbh. Hopefully visuals and action make up for it.

Random Guy Esq. · 25 Jun 2021 at 08:17

Hmmm Fin Fang Foom? And was that Abomination in the cage fight?

MissChief · 25 Jun 2021 at 11:43

Random Guy Esq. said:
Hmmm Fin Fang Foom? And was that Abomination in the cage fight?

Yes. And maybe Wong fighting him some have said. There’s certainly a Sling Ring shield.

KhloeDale1305 · 28 Jun 2021 at 14:52

VincentHanna said:
Those lynchpins were mostly unknown actors 10 years ago, and the Characters were mostly B sides back then.

Downey was famous, mostly for the wrong reasons, but it's not like he was a mega star

Throwback to Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston being called 'nobodies' when they were cast in Thor!!

CaptainRAVE · 23 Jul 2021 at 14:24

This phase is off to a pretty slow start so far.

Loki was ok. All just Disney streaming fillers so far.

Shamikebab · 23 Jul 2021 at 15:21

CaptainRAVE said:
This phase is off to a pretty slow start so far.

Loki was ok. All just Disney streaming fillers so far.

Wandavision - 91% on RT, nominated for 23 Emmys
FaWS - 90% on RT, 5 Emmy nominations
Loki - 92% on RT

You're right, such a slow start.

MissChief · 23 Jul 2021 at 15:43

CaptainRAVE said:
This phase is off to a pretty slow start so far.

Loki was ok. All just Disney streaming fillers so far.

Black Widow was also a cinema release?

CaptainRAVE · 23 Jul 2021 at 16:17

Shamikebab said:
Wandavision - 91% on RT, nominated for 23 Emmys
FaWS - 90% on RT, 5 Emmy nominations
Loki - 92% on RT

You're right, such a slow start.

I’ve not jumped on the hype train. I’ve found them mostly pretty dull. Unfortunately the fanboys lap it up.

MissChief · 23 Jul 2021 at 17:46

CaptainRAVE said:
I’ve not jumped on the hype train. I’ve found them mostly pretty dull. Unfortunately the fanboys lap it up.

Wandavision was great after a very slow start, FATWS was too serious, but still decent. Loki was a bit slow in the middle but was good overall. I want a bit more humour though.

CaptainRAVE · 23 Jul 2021 at 17:52

MissChief said:
Wandavision was great after a very slow start, FATWS was too serious, but still decent. Loki was a bit slow in the middle but was good overall. I want a bit more humour though.

Maybe I should finish Wandavision. It was so so slow at the start, it just didn’t hook me. Think I got about half way. It’s early days I guess in this phase, it just hasn’t hooked me as quickly as the last.

MissChief · 23 Jul 2021 at 18:06

CaptainRAVE said:
Maybe I should finish Wandavision. It was so so slow at the start, it just didn’t hook me. Think I got about half way. It’s early days I guess in this phase, it just hasn’t hooked me as quickly as the last.

I think it picked up in Episode four.

SixTwoSix · 24 Jul 2021 at 08:25

CaptainRAVE said:
Maybe I should finish Wandavision. It was so so slow at the start, it just didn’t hook me. Think I got about half way. It’s early days I guess in this phase, it just hasn’t hooked me as quickly as the last.

Slow, albeit not too bad start, great middle, terrible end, it had a superb concept, some episodes brilliantly executed, just as a full package it left me not really caring by the final episode.

That's some achievement as she was one of my favourite characters throughout the movies.

At this point i'll watch a FaTWS recap, it's DCEU TV levels of bad (SFX and come of the choreography is laughable), managed two episodes.

VincentHanna · 17 Aug 2021 at 15:42

Shang-chi had overwhelmingly positive feedback from the premier

But then these things often do.

SixTwoSix · 17 Aug 2021 at 16:21

Great opinion piece here on the current state of Marvel, essentially where do you go after such a wide encompassing event like Infinity War and prevent the franchise seeming stale.

iamtheoneneo · 19 Aug 2021 at 14:21

SixTwoSix said:
Great opinion piece here on the current state of Marvel, essentially where do you go after such a wide encompassing event like Infinity War and prevent the franchise seeming stale.

Didn't watch it but looking at the new eternals trailer they really need to get over Thanos quickly. Obviously in the comics he's always returning to the point where he's powerful but a bit of a prop meme now since there are just more interesting stories to tell with better characters.

If the films aren't careful they are going to get trapped in this cycle of not being able to move on properly. I was kind of disappointed to see they are making a cap4 for this very reason.

SixTwoSix · 19 Aug 2021 at 14:31

iamtheoneneo said:
Didn't watch it but looking at the new eternals trailer they really need to get over Thanos quickly. Obviously in the comics he's always returning to the point where he's powerful but a bit of a prop meme now since there are just more interesting stories to tell with better characters.

If the films aren't careful they are going to get trapped in this cycle of not being able to move on properly. I was kind of disappointed to see they are making a cap4 for this very reason.

It's not too long and worth a watch, Marvel is carefully balanced right now and a few poor decisions could see "too big to fail become small enough to do so" - to paraphrase what he says in the video.

Somnambulist · 19 Aug 2021 at 14:43

New Eternals trailer, looks a bit more promising than the first one (plus celestial cameo!).

Not following the comics timeline though where they’ve been around a lot longer than 7k years and the Deviants are a complete departure.

Flibster · 24 Aug 2021 at 03:14

Oh...

So that's how we get to the multiverse then.