The 5700G (APU) gets higher or equal min. fps in all tested games vs Intel's DG1 graphics card

[g67575]

Averages of results at 1080p and 720p resolutions here:
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/7sUiYiG9TaqZFTU2VaLmXd-970-80.png
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/XhkxkKUU6LugCczeUi4qV4-970-80.png

Intel needs to pull their finger out!

From here:
https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/features/intel-xe-dg1-benchmarked

I'd expect the DG2 to max out at about 8-9 times as powerful as the DG1, given that the DG1 has a TDP of 30w.

If performance scales with power usage, 8 x 30 = 240w, plus some extra power consumption for a higher end memory bus and up to 16GBs of GDDR6 VRAM. So, that would be a TDP of about 270w for a desktop graphics card.

Power consumption will be the performance limit, as always with graphics cards. They might be able to improve on 8x the performance of DG1 if they use a more power efficient fabrication process than Intel's 10nm.

 

[MCFC_ANDY]

old news tbh, the dg1 isnt a gaming card in reality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW4U6n-r3_0

 

[MCFC_ANDY]

ignore

 

[g67575]

Still not great though, Intel's first graphics card (in a very long time) losing in games to an APU, which apparently will only cost ~£250.

Fair enough though, the DG1 gains some ground in other tasks.

 

[MCFC_ANDY]

not great, but wasnt widely released iirc, for SI's instead, the DG2 is what folk are waiting for, that will tell us how good intel will be/wont be i guess, wont be that much longer hopefully

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

DG1 is basically integrated graphics on a PCIe card. Integrated v integrated.

 

[g67575]

DG1 is basically integrated graphics on a PCIe card. Integrated v integrated.

Yeah, that's because Intel couldn't made anything more powerful, even if they'd wanted to, they are still in the learning phase really.

 

[KompuKare]

DG1 is basically integrated graphics on a PCIe card. Integrated v integrated.

However it does have a much higher power budget than the integrated equivalent. I think Intel call it Iris XE Max, although Xe Max might be 96 EU while DG1 was cut down 80 EU?
From earlier leaks, that didn't make much difference with them both about the same speed.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

Yeah, that's because Intel couldn't made anything more powerful, even if they'd wanted to, they are still in the learning phase really.

That just isn't true, and I see a bit of bias in your postings. If they really wanted to, they could have dumped more money into it and made this something else.
Or maybe you're right, and LPDDR4X and a horribly slow bus speed is absolute balls to the wall performance in Intel's mind...

I'm semi disappointed in the 5000 series APUs. I really hoped AMD were going to push the limit and we'd see RDNA2 in there. Maybe there's little point, whilst we're still on DDR4 but I'm waiting for a bigger jump.

 

[KompuKare]

If they really wanted to, they could have dumped more money into it and made this something else.

I'm doubtful, because Intel have thrown money at problems before and it didn't work.
And we're not talking about pocket change:

1. G5 modern effort. $billions, result: zilch. Remnants of modern business sold to Apple for peanuts.
   
2. Atom contra revenue. $billions, result: zilch. Millions of subsidised Atom tablets were made, most are probably landfill now.
3. McAfee
4. Larabee
5. Itanium
   
6. Networking. Not a total failure as Intel NICs are well respected (their WiFi drivers however are junk IMO), but despite $billions the really lucrative market remains in Cisco's hands.
7. Others I've forgotten?

For 1 & 2, see fit instance:
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/227720-how-intel-lost-10-billion-and-the-mobile-market
So, yes this time could be different and their streak of throwing money away might end, but I won't hold my breath.

 

[shamus21]

5700G (APU) gets higher or equal min. fps in all tested games vs Intel's DG1 graphics card. that was always a given Intel are not interested in Gpu`s

 

[g67575]

For a desktop / mobile APU, a Series S like APU design should be the goal (at least for RDNA 2), that thing is a beast. As some have tried to tell me previously (alas, with great effort ) , this would require HBM2 VRAM for a PC version, unless they can find a way to stack GDDR6 on top of the GPU, as space on the PCB area is very limited. Although, this would make it more of a hybrid between a traditional GPU and an APU.

 

[g67575]

5700G (APU) gets higher or equal min. fps in all tested games vs Intel's DG1 graphics card. that was always a given Intel are not interested in Gpu`s

DG2?

 

[KompuKare]

DG2?

We live in hope, but min FPS and consistency is the important metric.
Maybe DG3!

 

[Freddie1980]

I don't think you can call Atom a waste of time as 4th gen Gracemont is a key part of the upcoming Alder Lake CPU's.