alcohol..why?!?!

[Vonhelmet]

Social drinking is fun.

True.

And a problem forgotten is a problem no longer.

False.

 

[Phantom]

Alcohol is the way forward in my eyes, been pretty down the last month or two and it has helped with the 'forget problem and go out and party mood.'

Some of the most comedy situations have been the result of alcohol for me, and my fishing village lifestyle would be pretty dull without it.

in my personal opinion i think its a sad case where you think you need to drink to have a good time because you think you live a dull and boring life. your life is what you make it - youre in charge of how you want to enjoy it and its you who chooses to use the excuse to drink to feel "liberated and free".

 

[caff]

Under docs orders I'm not allowed to drink for six months.

I'm 2 months in already.

I feel much healthier, but my social life has taken a dive as all my drinking buddies wander off to the pub.

I can't wait til I can drink again. I shall continue my life of binge drinking with great pleasure.

 

[Pudney]

your example is flawed... crashing car is not inevitible no matter how much you drive. you may increase the probability of crashing (because you drive a lot) but its not to say you will have an accident. Compare that with drinking alcohol. if you drink a lot it WILL damage your liver and kidneys and you WILL die.

driving a car a lot may make you tired but drinking a lot makes you inebriated and you WILL lose your inhibitions, being unable focus and concentrate... ending up doing things you then later regret (sleeping with someone you didnt want to; being coersed easily)

Wow, you like focusing on the negatives.

Although you are wrong. High alcohol consumption increases the chances of liver and kidney problems, it doesn't guarantee it. Even if you then do get problems it doesn't mean you will die of them(I'm assuming you meant that heavy drinkers will die of drink related issues as opposed to the fact that non drinkers are actually immortal).

I've been heavily drunk before and lost my inhibitions, resulting in me doing things I'd never do when sober. However, to say that I now regret them is wrong as well, many of the things I'm actually still amused by today, and I far from regret them.

Also, moderate consumption of alcohol is beneficial, reducing the chances of heart attacks, strokes, reduces blood pressure and leads to a longer life.

 

[Stellios]

When your out = it relaxes you, and stops you caring when your acting like an idiot

When your home = its a welcome change from the sugary substance called coke

Its bad for you yes, but so is eating chips, and so are most things. I only drink stuff i like, if i dont like it ill have something else, for example vodka is the work of the devil IMO. If you cared about everything scientists said you would not eat/drink anything at all.

Everyone dies, so you might as well enjoy yourself sometimes, thats how i look at it.

 

[Superdude]

if you wanna talk about this some more feel free to email me, no recorded fatalities caused directly, but what about developed schizophrenia (sp) resulting in suicide?

sorry for a slight derailment.

Thats not what I was getting at. There have been no direct falilities from cannabis. You CANNO'T overdose on it. Drinking alcohol can lead to alcohol poisioning and death.

If you want to talk about related deaths:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/743878.stm

"But the report claims the real number of all deaths connected with alcohol misuse is closer to 33,000."


33,000!!!!
Somehow I don't see 33,000 stoners killing themselfs this year.


Edit: before I get accussed of using cannabis, I do not. I have never felt the need to take any other drug other than alchol.

 

[Admiral Huddy]

I'm not sure how people see me as when i've had a few. I'd like to think i'm not that much different to when i'm sober. Drink actaully makes me hyper-active and I can't sleep !! Complete opposite to most people.

I don't like dealing with people who can't handle their drink and either rude or violent.

 

[Pudney]

Thats not what I was getting at. There have been no direct falilities from cannabis. You CANNO'T overdose on it. Drinking alcohol can lead to alcohol poisioning and death.

If you want to talk about related deaths:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/743878.stm

"But the report claims the real number of all deaths connected with alcohol misuse is closer to 33,000."


33,000!!!!
Somehow I don't see 33,000 stoners killing themselfs this year.

You can o/d on cannabis, maybe not fatally, but you can still o/d......

 

[Superdude]

You can o/d on cannabis, maybe not fatally, but you can still o/d......

"It is generally considered to be impossible to achieve a lethal overdose by smoking cannabis. According to the Merck Index, 12th edition, the LD50, the lethal dose for 50% of rats tested by inhalation, is 42 milligrams per kilogram of body weight. That is equivalent of a 75 kg (165 lb) man ingesting all of the THC in 21 one-gram cigarettes of maximum-potency (15% THC) cannabis buds at once, assuming no THC was lost through burning or exhalation. For oral consumption, the LD50 for rats is 1270 mg/kg and 730 mg/kg for males and females, respectively, equivalent to the THC in about a pound of 15% THC cannabis. Only with intravenous administration — an unheard-of method of use — may such a level be even theoretically possible. [5]

There has only ever been one recorded verdict of fatal overdose due to cannabis. In January 2004, Lee Maisey of Pembrokeshire, Wales was found dead. The coroner's report stated "Death due to probable cannabis toxicity". It had been reported that Maisey smoked about six joints a day. Mr. Maisey's blood contained 130 nanograms per milliliter (ng/ml) of the THC metabolite THC-COOH."



Sorry if I'm annoying anyone. Its just my views on drug control in this country. I could talk about other drugs but I don't want to upset anyone. I fully respect others views on this matter.

Edit: I'm only quoting facts for this arguement btw

 

[lemonkettaz]

its the greatest peace maker.

and the greatest way of conflicts.

overall its the catalyst for good times

 

[Che]

The only way cannabis can directly kill you is by having a large amount of it dropped on top of you, you can't physically eat, plug or smoke enough of it to kill you.

 

[Pudney]

"It is generally considered to be impossible to achieve a lethal overdose by smoking cannabis. According to the Merck Index, 12th edition, the LD50, the lethal dose for 50% of rats tested by inhalation, is 42 milligrams per kilogram of body weight. That is equivalent of a 75 kg (165 lb) man ingesting all of the THC in 21 one-gram cigarettes of maximum-potency (15% THC) cannabis buds at once, assuming no THC was lost through burning or exhalation. For oral consumption, the LD50 for rats is 1270 mg/kg and 730 mg/kg for males and females, respectively, equivalent to the THC in about a pound of 15% THC cannabis. Only with intravenous administration — an unheard-of method of use — may such a level be even theoretically possible. [5]

There has only ever been one recorded verdict of fatal overdose due to cannabis. In January 2004, Lee Maisey of Pembrokeshire, Wales was found dead. The coroner's report stated "Death due to probable cannabis toxicity". It had been reported that Maisey smoked about six joints a day. Mr. Maisey's blood contained 130 nanograms per milliliter (ng/ml) of the THC metabolite THC-COOH."



Sorry if I'm annoying anyone. Its just my views on drug control in this country. I could talk about other drugs but I don't want to upset anyone. I fully respect others views on this matter.

I did say you can o/d but not fatally

 

[Greenlizard0]

youre feeling down -> drink
got a problem -> drink
you want to have a good time -> drink
socialise with friends -> drink
bored -> drink
want to boast about something -> how much youve drank


why?! i dont understand it - its not a clever thing to do and has so many disadvanges/problems associated with doing it...
- you'll get addicted if done over a long period of time
- it'll damage your internal organs over time
- it doesnt solve your problems.. it may make you forget but they'll still be there in the morning along with the hangover
- £££!

I've just woken up. My poor stomach. Damn you vodbull to hell!! Augh...

 

[Phantom]

Wow, you like focusing on the negatives.

negatives far outweigh the positives youve mentioned below

Although you are wrong. High alcohol consumption increases the chances of liver and kidney problems, it doesn't guarantee it. Even if you then do get problems it doesn't mean you will die of them(I'm assuming you meant that heavy drinkers will die of drink related issues as opposed to the fact that non drinkers are actually immortal).

you put a high strain on your internal organs having to break down and process the alcohol.. theyre not perfect, indestructable machines and they do get damaged when you consume a lot over a long period of time... its not a "maybe" - look at some medical studies for inequivical proof. this isnt like you "may" get cancer from smoking... but you WILL prevent your body from maximising its ability to absorb oxygen by filling your lungs with smoke..

I've been heavily drunk before and lost my inhibitions, resulting in me doing things I'd never do when sober. However, to say that I now regret them is wrong as well, many of the things I'm actually still amused by today, and I far from regret them.

you may not regret them but why do you need to get drunk in the first place?

Also, moderate consumption of alcohol is beneficial, reducing the chances of heart attacks, strokes, reduces blood pressure and leads to a longer life.

is this something youve heard someone who heard it from someone else say? if so, its only partly right... its specifically red wine and you have to drink it in small quantities over a week iirc.

"The alcohol-related benefits seem to come from flavanoids/anti-oxidants. A number of foods provide these." - taken from http://www.agingincanada.ca/Seniors Alcohol/1d1.htm

you can reduce the chances of heart attacks, blood pressure by exercising and eating healthily. you actually negate the "good effect" you get from your drink if you consume over the suggested amount. NB. the suggested amount is even less than the youre allowed to drink and drive i.e. you can drink every day and be below the limit but youve then gone beyond the point where its beneficial.

 

[Superdude]

I did say you can o/d but not fatally

Well even that death was disputed.

 

[Cuchulain]

I very rarely drink myself (I get chronic indigestion and quite possibly the worlds worst hangovers even if it's only a couple of pints) but I certainly have no objection to others getting bladdered, so long as them being langered doesn't affect me, e.g. they don't pick a fight with me, they don't puke on me, they don't puke in my garden, they don't run up and down the street shouting a 5am as is a common occurance where I live and they don't try holding what they consider a meaningful conversation with me when I'm sober.

 

[Yas786]

The only way cannabis can directly kill you is by having a large amount of it dropped on top of you, you can't physically eat, plug or smoke enough of it to kill you.

No you cant but it will make you very ill though and possibly very high

 

[Enfield]

youre feeling down -> drink
got a problem -> drink

Personally if I drink and i'm feeling down or tired it makes me worse!

 

[noginn]

Personally if I drink and i'm feeling down or tired it makes me worse!

Depends what I drink.

 

[Phantom]

Personally if I drink and i'm feeling down or tired it makes me worse!

alcohol is classified as a depressent so isnt the best thing to be drinking in that condition...