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everytime i squat with weights in either arm my knees click or grind , does this happen to everyone else? this isnt medical just want to know if its normal!
delbuenno said:Clicking is quite common and nothing to worry about unless you get pain/locking/giving-way with it.
The grinding is possibly due to patello-femoral (kneecap) joint dysfunction/maltracking or chondromalacia patella (which IS medical).
As soon as you bend your knee(s) you are loading the patello-femoral joint, add weight to that and you put more stress on the joint.
If you continue to squat make sure you use good technique i.e. feet slightly turned out and your kneecap going in the direction of your middle toe when bending. If you are concerned about it see your gp.
stig said:cheers dude just wanted to make sure i wouldnt end up in a wheel chair for the rest of my life i squat with dumbells because i dont have a barbell
IF the cause is patellofemoral joint dysfunction/maltracking AND there is a biomechanical fault then the biomechanical fault(s) need adressing. Squatting with good form will NOT help rectus femoris or illiotibial band tightness. Nor would it help tight hamstrings or calves (both a cause of chondromalacia patella), OR overpronating feet, valgus deformity at the heel or other tight tissues at the knee.Fop said:TBH squating with correct form (and non-exessive weight) would likely help (rather than hinder) any possible mild underlying issues.
Goatboy said:Do you really think a beginner asking a question about squats is going to understand any of what you just wrote in those two posts?
delbuenno said:IF the cause is patellofemoral joint dysfunction/maltracking AND there is a biomechanical fault then the biomechanical fault(s) need adressing. Squatting with good form will NOT help rectus femoris or illiotibial band tightness. Nor would it help tight hamstrings or calves (both a cause of chondromalacia patella), OR overpronating feet, valgus deformity at the heel or other tight tissues at the knee.
Not necessarily, Squatting with weight maybe the only thing which produces sufficient compresssion and sheering forces at the patellofemoral (kneecap) joint (reaching 4-5 times bodyweight with around your 70% max squat weight) to bring on the symptoms.Fop said:True, but with in the case of most of those things, not only would he have likely have noticed it in many instances other than squatting, and he’d likely be experiencing a bit of pain too.
Fop said:Of course if he’s got a condition that requires surgery to correct ....
delbuenno said:Not necessarily, Squatting with weight maybe the only thing which produces sufficient compresssion and sheering forces at the patellofemoral (kneecap) joint (reaching 4-5 times bodyweight with around your 70% max squat weight) to bring on the symptoms.
and a reference about the likelyhood of pain ...
"Most important to remember, is that knee pain does not always accompany chondromalacia patella and often the degree of chondromalacia patella does not correlate with the symptoms (Kipnis and Scuderi, 1995)."
Patellofemoral joint dysfunction/maltracking or Chondromalacia Patella does NOT require surgery to treat (ask Jenny McConnell ) There are many conservative options prior to debridement +/- lateral release. Orthopaedic surgeons will often only perform surgery after 6-12 months of conservative treatment has failed or as a last resort (on the NHS).
Strengthening the quadriceps is another effective technique for controlling PFD. However, it should be noted that certain traditional quadriceps-strengthening exercises, such as knee extensions, have been shown to create increased compressive forces to the patellofemoral joint. Instead, we recommend squatting exercises, which are naturally occurring motions in human function, and therefore, considered much safer in terms of patellofemoral joint compressive forces. As with all exercises, a gradual progression of force and motion is necessary to minimize the risk of injury during exercise.
stig said:everytime i squat with weights in either arm my knees click or grind , does this happen to everyone else? this isnt medical just want to know if its normal!
yep, agree but who mentioned extensions? thats a whole different topic.Fop said:squatting motions may well be better for Patellofemoral joint dysfunction than extension movements and such.
delbuenno said:So are we in agreement now? LOL