OcUK Crash Investigation Team in review - A547 Abergale

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Some of you might recall a thread we had about the driver and the four cyclists killed, last January on the A547 Abergale.

" Robert Harris, 47, from Abergele, lost control on the road near his home on 8 January, where 12 members of Rhyl Cycling Club were on a training ride.

He admitted three counts of driving with defective tyres and was fined £60 for each of the counts and endorsed his driving licence with six points at Llandudno Magistrates' Court. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/5241798.stm

I was shocked at the leniency of the verdict considering the loss of life.
 
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siztenboots said:
I was shocked at the leniency of the verdict considering the loss of life.

I'm not. It was going to happen whether he had bald tyres or had new ones fitted that day.

Just a nasty accident.

The verdict was a fine for bald tyres, not killing people.

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why shocked?

it was shown that the tyres (although below legal limit) were not the cause of the accident, so they must have felt that the same tyres but in a legal state would have also resulted in the same accident.
 
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yup - i love the way you can spin stories so easily by ignoring little itsey bits of information (coughdailymailcough)

Magistrates said the defective tyres "were not a contributory factor".

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He said: "We are dealing with this case as we would any case involving defective tyres, where a guilty plea has been entered by post.

if your on black ice you really can't do much bar cross your fingers and hope
 
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it was the correct fine. The police said the accident was caused by black ice and not the tyres or his driving style. Therefore accidental death and he got charged with the tyre offences.

There is such things called accidents. If it was caused by the defective tyres then it would be different. But its wasn't.
 
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Siliconslave said:
yup - i love the way you can spin stories so easily by ignoring little itsey bits of information (coughdailymailcough)



if your on black ice you really can't do much bar cross your fingers and hope

wow, a daily mail hater!
i read this in the daily mail this morning (as i read it daily) and felt that it wasnt sensationalised at all. i never came away from the paper feeling that the driver should be shot on sight either.
 
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This doesn't make sense to me. Even if it wasn't his fault, he still had 3 defective tyres. Each one should be 3 points, so why has he only got 6 points endorsed on his license and not 9? :confused:
 
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Morba said:
possibly 1 wasnt 'that' bad but under the limit, or they felt that 6 points was relevent at this time.

Should be quite simple though. A defective tyres = 3points. There shouldn't be a grey area
 
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Cuchulain said:
If your car plowed into and kill 4 cyclists, accident or not, what would you do? Have a party?

Answering a question with a question = lame. :p ;)

But anyway - no, I wouldn't have a party. No.

So again, if it wasn't his fault - which it wasn't - why would it be on his conscience?
 
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merlin said:
Answering a question with a question = lame. :p ;)

But anyway - no, I wouldn't have a party. No.

So again, if it wasn't his fault - which it wasn't - why would it be on his conscience?

because he killed people. I know train drivers that have hit suicide jumpers. It's still on there conscience and one even committed ssuicide cos he had so many jumpers (7 IIRC), he jumper of the severn bridge, so no one would find his body.
 
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merlin said:
Answering a question with a question = lame. :p ;)

But anyway - no, I wouldn't have a party. No.

So again, if it wasn't his fault - which it wasn't - why would it be on his conscience?

Because it's human nature, if it was me I'd have considered myself partially responsible regardless of whether it was an accident or not.
 
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Fair points, I suppose I would feel guilty at first. But I think that would subside after a while and certainly I dont think I'd have their lives on my conscience after hearing the verdict of accidental death.
 
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