Disciplined for refusing to hand out literature on homosexuality

[cleanbluesky]

Overcoming bigotry for one.

Have you any proof that bigotry is an always-everywhere feature of anyone how may be gay, or did the sentence just sound too glib to resist?

 

[MookJong]

"Diversity training" vs. "Political re-education". Same thing.

The intention of diversity training is to get you to understand and respect people from outside your own social spectrum. The intention is posative.

Political re-education can also be used to show other people in a nagative light, the intention behind ultra left / right wing political re-education for example is not to be posative about other social groups.

They can be very different

 

[scorza]

The poster stated an opinion, if you wish to refute it please do so politely rather than taking time to express your personal feelings on a tabloid paper and dismissing his opinion simlultaneously as bigotry or some such.

The Daily Mail is merely a sensationalist paper as any other, although unlike others it prefers to draw sensationalism over immigration and race issues. If you dislike this, please buy one of the sensationslist papers that reinforce your existing opinions. Then we can dismiss you all as Guardianistas or some other cheap phrase that dismisses your opinion without the need to form an original sentence or address the points you have raised.

Yeah, and I'd also like to point out that I don't even read the Daily Mail I'd actually support muslim firemen if they didn't want to attend a gay pride event - no one should have to if they don't want to.

 

[Gilly]

Nothing per se, but what is being acheived is the recognition that homosexuality is just as valid a sexuality as hetero sexuality.

In the same, way, Black pride is not about asserting that Black people are superior, but taking pride in the notion that colour affects ones validity as a human being is now outdated.

If Gay pride was about being proud to be gay, then only gay people would be allowed to take part, which is patently not the case.

I still fail to see how thats achieving something. Not in the context as the previous poster was saying, anyway.

I see your last point.

That's still namby-pamby PC nonsense though.

No it isn't

Overcoming bigotry for one.

I do hope that wasn't said in an accusatory tone

 

[Sleepy]

The poster stated an opinion, if you wish to refute it please do so politely rather than taking time to express your personal feelings on a tabloid paper and dismissing his opinion simlultaneously as bigotry or some such.

The Daily Mail is merely a sensationalist paper as any other, although unlike others it prefers to draw sensationalism over immigration and race issues. If you dislike this, please buy one of the sensationslist papers that reinforce your existing opinions. Then we can dismiss you all as Guardianistas or some other cheap phrase that dismisses your opinion without the need to form an original sentence or address the points you have raised.

Life long tory voter here, hardly a Guardianistas. Anyway the Daily Bigot is a symbol of whats wrong with middle Britain with its narrow minded views, its reactionary politics its fear of difference. As such its a legitimate target and the phrase is a valid identifier to label that demographic.

 

[scorza]

One encourages choice the others denies everything but the part line. Yep completely the same.

Like these firemen had a choice on whether or not to hand out leaflets at a gay pride event?

The intention of diversity training is to get you to understand and respect people from outside your own social spectrum. The intention is posative.

Political re-education can also be used show other people in a nagative light, the intention behind ultra left / right wing political re-education for example is not to be posative about other social groups.

So its ok to brainwash people as long as you're doing it for what you think are positive reasons? What is it they say the road to hell is paved with?

People should be free to think whatever they want without persecution imo.

 

[Sleepy]

Have you any proof that bigotry is an always-everywhere feature of anyone how may be gay, or did the sentence just sound too glib to resist?

History I take it, is a foreign country?

allready partially answered this upthread, but as responses here show there is still a negative response to being gay. So efforts to convince people that being gay isn't a crime are still required or do you want to live in a society where hatred of people is swept under the carpet?

 

[cleanbluesky]

Life long tory voter here, hardly a Guardianistas. Anyway the Daily Bigot is a symbol of whats wrong with middle Britain with its narrow minded views, its reactionary politics its fear of difference. As such its a legitimate target and the phrase is a valid identifier to label that demographic.

Regardless of the legitimacy of your opinion of the Daily Mail, am I to take it that you approve of 'labelling' various demographics?

How can Daily Mail readers be considered any more static and less amorphous than any other media consumer? Yahoo is my homepage, does that mean that my opinions are exclusive and constant with other who share that homepage?

 

[Gilly]

allready partially answered this upthread, but as responses here show there is still a negative response to being gay. So efforts to convince people that being gay isn't a crime are still required or do you want to live in a society where hatred of people is swept under the carpet?

Other than those too weak to actually share their views and have their outmoded concepts deservedly ridiculed I haven't seen any hatred in this thread.

 

[starscream]

What have gayers achieved by being gay?

From other posts, you seem to take pride in being from Yorkshire (for some reaon ) What has Yorkshire achieved "from being" Yorkshire? Or does the sense of pride come from the achivements of many individuals who you believe you hold a common association with?

 

[Borris]

People should be free to think whatever they want without persecution imo.

Is diversity training about telling people what to think, or is it about setting boundaries on how they express their thoughts, through their actions, in the context of the workplace?

 

[cleanbluesky]

allready partially answered this upthread, but as responses here show there is still a negative response to being gay. So efforts to convince people that being gay isn't a crime are still required or do you want to live in a society where hatred of people is swept under the carpet?

Gay pride is not merely about acceptance, it is a show of political force. There need not be any prejudice against homosexuals for a group to construct the idea that there is... if there was no prejudice then pro-homo organisations wouldn't need to exist, which is why you wont find them say 'everything is fine', instead all you hear is constant crticisim.

 

[Sleepy]

Like these firemen had a choice on whether or not to hand out leaflets at a gay pride event?

Actually they did. If they really objected they could have quit. Guess their moral objection wasn't that strong though.

So its ok to brainwash people as long as you're doing it for what you think are positive reasons? What is it they say the road to hell is paved with?

People should be free to think whatever they want without persecution imo.

And people should expect to get the same service from public servants regardless of their sexual orientation. And as firemen are payed for by taxpayers money the publics right to service trumps their right to object to serve that part of the community. Anyway they can still think evil thoughts they just cannot refuse to do their jobs based on their brand of bigotry.

 

[Borris]

Like these firemen had a choice on whether or not to hand out leaflets at a gay pride event?

They had the choice not to be firemen. The job was a core responsibility (as quoted earlier), and they don't get to pick and choose.

 

[Samtheman1k]

I'd be interested to see what the FBU have to say about this...they seem of gone very quiet over the issue...

 

[Sleepy]

Regardless of the legitimacy of your opinion of the Daily Mail, am I to take it that you approve of 'labelling' various demographics?

I know where your heading but sometimes its useful especially in a fast moving thread where concise terminology is required. The benefit of speed outweighs the inaccuracy of labelling a diverse population with a specific term.

 

[MookJong]

Like these firemen had a choice on whether or not to hand out leaflets at a gay pride event?

It's their job to hand the leaflets out, I'd like to go home at 2pm every day but I don't get a choice either.

So its ok to brainwash people as long as you're doing it for what you think are positive reasons? What is it they say the road to hell is paved with?

It's never ok to brainwash people, how is educating people about other social groups brainwashing? Could you give one example of how you could brainwash me with reagrds to gay people.

People should be free to think whatever they want without persecution imo.

Dunno if you have realised but people are free to think what they want without persecution!!! It's only if these thoughts are voiced or acted out with a negative effect on other people that they should be questioned.

 

[Sleepy]

Other than those too weak to actually share their views and have their outmoded concepts deservedly ridiculed I haven't seen any hatred in this thread.

Wan't reffering to anyone in this thread, aimed more at certain religious views expoused by some and to a demographic that has problems with differant sexual mores.

 

[Sleepy]

Gay pride is not merely about acceptance, it is a show of political force. There need not be any prejudice against homosexuals for a group to construct the idea that there is... if there was no prejudice then pro-homo organisations wouldn't need to exist, which is why you wont find them say 'everything is fine', instead all you hear is constant crticisim.

Your argument is flawed, a group with a common interest need not face prejudice to still have common ground requiring political activism.

 

[cleanbluesky]

I know where your heading but sometimes its useful especially in a fast moving thread where concise terminology is required. The benefit of speed outweighs the inaccuracy of labelling a diverse population with a specific term.

How can Daily Mail readers be considered any more static and less amorphous than any other media consumer? Yahoo is my homepage, does that mean that my opinions are exclusive and constant with other who share that homepage?