WINTERVAL - NOT CHRISTMAS

robmiller · 9 Dec 2006 at 13:56

Royality said:
Well I just don't know what to believe now, it seems everyone has an opinion that is 'correct' but no tangible evidence to prove it.

The Guardian is surely more reputable than the Sun. What is it that makes you think otherwise ClearBlueSky?

The Guardian has a different political agenda to CBS and is therefore always wrong

ojo · 9 Dec 2006 at 14:03

robmiller said:
The Guardian has a different political agenda to CBS and is therefore always wrong

And it has no boobies. Boobies=truth. Apparently.

Saberu · 9 Dec 2006 at 14:17

Chronos-X said:
Can anyone actually cite Brum council saying this?

Or else is it racist propaganda?

I was in Wolvo on thursday and I actually saw the big banners in the town centre saying "Happy winterval" or something. I didn't think anything of it at the time as I didn't realise it was replacing the word christmas, now that I know it is I am truly shocked!

Nickg said:
its dumb that such an advanced western country celebrates a "christian" festival in the first place! why should everyone have the message of god+the bible pushed upon them so heavily just because it is 25 december?

I think you will find that christmas has become very non-religious for most people and the thought of christianity won't even cross their mind when they think about it. Christmas has become part of English culture and adopted it's own image seperate from the religious one, it's adopted an image of consumerism and greed, just kidding I'm not that cynical

But the image of christmas definitely revolves around giving and receiving gifts, having fun, relaxing and having big turkey dinners with your family and/or friends.

Yas786 · 9 Dec 2006 at 14:45

Why is it that every friggin year this sort of **** comes up??, last yr it was the same...oh noessss!!!11111!!! the dirty muslims/immigrants want to ban xmas etc etc.

Id hate to see xmas being banned tbh, even tho i dont celebrate it myself but i still enjoy the festivities and the things that go along with it.

Thank god im off to Canada/New York next week, gives me a chance to get away from all this moronic PC thats so prevalent in this country....

vincent1989 · 9 Dec 2006 at 15:08

to be perfectly honest this is a load of bullocks! :mad:

you don't see places in Asia renaming TRADITIONAL ASIAN holidays to suit the English people living there.

ENGLAND (BRITAIN/UK) is a CHRISTian country, we celebrate CHRISTian holidays, in my honest opinion, and i mean this is now way to offend anyone, but **** what any other ethnicities in this country bitch about, were a CHRISTIAN ******* country, don't like it? **** off!

we shouldn't be changing our heritage/traditions...what not for the sake of other 'peoples' opinions!

vincent1989 · 9 Dec 2006 at 15:09

ojo said:
And it has no boobies. Boobies=truth. Apparently.

lies!11one!!11!

cleanbluesky · 9 Dec 2006 at 17:29

starscream said:
Well the MCB have called for it to be banned, but in this post

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8341036#post8341036

You said that they are not representative of Muslims.

Two points...

1) If you read the article you will notice it is the MAB, not the MCB.

2) I don't believe they do represent most Muslims, just vast majority of Islamists - which may be a fair portion of Muslims

cleanbluesky · 9 Dec 2006 at 17:30

robmiller said:
The Guardian has a different political agenda to CBS and is therefore always wrong

Would you like it if I actually thought this?

Almost all papers are biased, I don't think the Mail is any better/worse than the Guardian... although many seem to believe that an association with the Guardian seems to portray them in a particular light

robmiller · 9 Dec 2006 at 17:30

kitten_caboodle said:
we're only a 'Christian' country because Henry VIII wanted to divorce his first wife and the Pope wouldn't agree. So all ties were cut with the catholic church, Henry was excommunicated and appointed himself and his descendants as the God-chosen vessel to rule his country the way he saw fit - because whatever Henry wanted, he wanted because God made him want it. Apparently.

do you honestly actually think that catholics aren't christians

scorza · 9 Dec 2006 at 18:34

Royality said:
The Guardian is surely more reputable than the Sun. What is it that makes you think otherwise ClearBlueSky?

I regard the Guardian and the Sun to be equally disreputable on opposite ends of the political spectrum. The Sun is more entertaining though

Neil79 · 9 Dec 2006 at 18:35

Just to let you know , Winterval appeared on sky news... Sky news talking about have we lost the reason behind christmas

SexyGreyFox · 9 Dec 2006 at 19:32

Why is this thread still alive?
Hasn't anybody had the decency to go and read up on Winterval?
Winterval takes in a lot of festivities including christmas so I wish everybody would get their facts right.
I don't believe for one second that any black has moaned about christmas so stop blaming them and blame the white councillors who think they know what blacks want.
Believe it or not blacks are not trying to steal christmas - white councillors are.

This has been a BNP fact file.

cleanbluesky · 9 Dec 2006 at 19:58

I didn't put it there, I promise. I own a printer anyway

I agree with a lot of it...

Meridian · 9 Dec 2006 at 20:05

Saberu said:
"Happy winterval" or something. I didn't think anything of it at the time as I didn't realise it was replacing the word christmas,

It Does Not Follow. Please read the thread: what actual evidence that has been produced suggests Winterval is little more than a pitiful attempt to spread Chrismas shopping out of December, and to encourage non-christians to buy overpriced tat for no good reason as well. There is no actual evidence that it is replacing Christmas.

M

cleanbluesky · 9 Dec 2006 at 20:06

Meridian said:
It Does Not Follow. Please read the thread: what actual evidence that has been produced suggests Winterval is little more than a pitiful attempt to spread Chrismas shopping out of December, and to encourage non-christians to buy overpriced tat for no good reason as well. There is no actual evidence that it is replacing Christmas.

M

All evidence in this thread is spurious... are you claiming abmiguity or the ability to debunk the claims in the OP?

Vonhelmet · 9 Dec 2006 at 20:38

robmiller said:
do you honestly actually think that catholics aren't christians

They certainly have some very heretical ideas, that's for sure. Still on the right side of the line though, as against the JWs or Mormons or whatever.

The Edge · 9 Dec 2006 at 20:38

I live in Birmingham and have not seen any referance to "Winterval" lights, or indeed any other "Winterval" festivities.

It was however all over the radio that the "Christmas" lights were being turned on a few days ago.

For anyone who is interested in some actual facts regarding "Winterval" please read on:

About 10 years ago an unusual winter calendar of festivities meant that we had Diwali, Eid, Hannuka and Christmas all falling within a few weeks of each other. Birmingham City Council decided that because all 4 major religeous groups were celebrating at the same time it would be a good idea to call the combined celebration "Winterval" as the lights and other attractions were just as appropriate to one as to another (Diwali = festival of light for example).

When put across like that it sounds a fairly reasonable idea doesn't it?

Then the press got hold of it: healines that read "Christmas Cancelled" appeared all over the local and national press.

Birmingham Council learned it's lesson 10 years ago, and to my knowledge this has never been repeated yet every chuffing year some bozo who works for the press hasn't earned himself a story and has to resurrect this tripe from the bottom of his trough.

The Christmas lights in Brum look very nice, thank you. So do the Christmas trees, and the Christmas decorations that adorn lamposts in some of the more Asian/Muslim dominated areas of the city.

Chronos-X · 10 Dec 2006 at 10:30

The Edge said:
About 10 years ago an unusual winter calendar of festivities meant that we had Diwali, Eid, Hannuka and Christmas all falling within a few weeks of each other. Birmingham City Council decided that because all 4 major religeous groups were celebrating at the same time it would be a good idea to call the combined celebration "Winterval" as the lights and other attractions were just as appropriate to one as to another (Diwali = festival of light for example).

Shhh, you're not allowed to say that :eek:

Lowrider · 10 Dec 2006 at 10:50

Jonny ///M said:
Isnt it supercharged

Yes it is - you're correct.

Ive fell out with christmas after i started working but i think its crap to change the name. Yes chrismas has become waaaaaaaay to commercialised and its the high point in the year for most businesses but its still christmas.

Arcade Fire · 10 Dec 2006 at 16:38

The Edge said:
I live in Birmingham and have not seen any referance to "Winterval" lights, or indeed any other "Winterval" festivities.

It was however all over the radio that the "Christmas" lights were being turned on a few days ago.

This is clearly hand-wringing liberal tripe designed to hide the true magnitude of the Anti-Christmas conspiracy from the majority of the population. The honest truth is that in five years we're going to be celebrating Eidmas and eating Hannukahmince pies in the winter months. This is outrageous. :mad:

PS Tru - ten marks out of ten!