LCD for £1,000
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Raikiri said:
In the same boat, but after weeks of looking I came to the conclusion that there are slim to non 1080p sets that are bug free, which has made me go for a non 1080p set. Havent heard much about the Phillips you have mentioned, but will check it out.
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slightly below your budget but i am split between
Sharp LC42XD1E 42in LCD TV - £897.50 - 9/10 CNE*
and
Toshiba Regza 42X3030D 42in LCD TV £831.75 - 9/10 CNE*
no one on this forum seems to have one (http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17761114) but i chose the Toshiba based on
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/selector.php
I didnt want a sony because of the lottery you play with the clouding issues, and the samsungs were over my £900 budget
This all assuming you are planning on playing games and watching movies, not watching sd tv on it
Edit: still not decided will update this thread when i choose one
Sharp LC42XD1E 42in LCD TV - £897.50 - 9/10 CNE*
and
Toshiba Regza 42X3030D 42in LCD TV £831.75 - 9/10 CNE*
no one on this forum seems to have one (http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17761114) but i chose the Toshiba based on
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/selector.php
I didnt want a sony because of the lottery you play with the clouding issues, and the samsungs were over my £900 budget
This all assuming you are planning on playing games and watching movies, not watching sd tv on it
Edit: still not decided will update this thread when i choose one
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squiffy said:
is the M86 the best range to go for? As Samsung have quite a few ranges now.
M86
M87 (100Hz)
N87
R88
R87
...What is the best range??
Thanks
M86 and M87 are the same screen, pretty sure M87 isn't 100hz (which is pointless for LCD IMO) PAL is 50hz, NTSC is 60hz. Which M86 displays at native resolution. If it has to upsample 50/60hz to 100hz it means more processing. 100hz processing was always awful on CRT's
M86 screen is glossy, M87 is matt.
happy with my 40" M86, some very minor clouding but only noticeable on a black screen. 1080p from HTPC and oppo works fine. No nead pixels, no buzzing, or banding.
M86 screen is glossy, M87 is matt.
happy with my 40" M86, some very minor clouding but only noticeable on a black screen. 1080p from HTPC and oppo works fine. No nead pixels, no buzzing, or banding.
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m86 and m87 are the same, m86 only available via Currys/dixons group.
the 100hz is more to allow the picker to flicker quicker, which reduces motion blur in fast scenes, e.g. football.
if this is a problem samsung are releasing a new range that will by 100hz soon, 40" for around 1300.
hdtvtest.co.uk has a good review of the LE40M87...
the 100hz is more to allow the picker to flicker quicker, which reduces motion blur in fast scenes, e.g. football.
if this is a problem samsung are releasing a new range that will by 100hz soon, 40" for around 1300.
hdtvtest.co.uk has a good review of the LE40M87...
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i really cant decide between these models 
My requirements:
-intended for use with a wii and a PS3, also a PC for movie and a couple of games but this isnt high priority. The ps3 and wii arent plugged in at the same time for the majority of the time, and i have a S-Video to SCART atm for pc to tv so worst case i could do without a VGA port.
-1080p, please keep the 720 vs 1080 to a minimum please i seen the 2 in action in show rooms and to me at least the difference is very clear
-42" is the size i am aiming for, but 40" is fine i dont really want to go any lower than that.
-Be able to play SD at a reasonable rate, this is not a priority at all but i would like the tv to be ok to view
-Approximately £900-ish budget
Now i have narrowed it down to:
Toshiba Regza 42X3030D 42in LCD TV - £840 + free delivery
Trusted Reviews - 9/10
HDTVOrg - 88%
HDTVTest
I was really interested in this tv and it seemed to have glowing reviews, but when searching user pov's and this forum i found it seems to have problems running blu-ray
SUMMARY
The 42X3030D is Toshiba's latest effort in the 1080 LCD arena, holding it's own where colour and low-light detail is concerned.
VGA: 1360x768 WXGA
HDMI: 50/60 Hz (includes 24FPS, altho there is conflicting info from users)
PROS
> True 1080p panel, accepts and displays 1080p source.
> Excellent colour after calibration
> Attractive, gloss frame design
CONS
> Greyscale behaviour inconsistent
> No greyscale or gamma controls
> Mild digital noise
Sharp LC42XD1E 42in LCD TV - £868.10+16.50 del
trustedreviews - 9/10
hdtvorg - 92%
hdtvtest
SUMMARY
As the cheapest 46-inch 1080p LCD TV available on the market today, Sharp LC46XD1E offers excellent value-for-money despite some flaws.
PROS
> Fantastic black level + high calibrated contrast ratio
> Pin-sharp high resolution detail
> Unbeatable price point: £1350 for a 46-inch 1080p LCD TV
CONS
> Screen uniformity issues ('banding')
> Electronic buzz (even in standby) and low-pitched hum
> Red push
Sony KDL40W2000 40in LCD TV - £979.00+Free delivery
1staudiovisual
CNET - 9.3
hdtvorg - 5 stars
Hdtvtest
This ones more expensive but is the extra cost worth it?, also is there a difference between the above and the Sony KDL40W2000U ?
SUMMARY
This model is our current 1080p LCD TV class leader for picture quality and tweakability, this side of 1500 pounds.
HDMI: 1080p
Component: 1080i
VGA: 1360x768
PROS
> Excellent image with good contrast and respectable blacks
> Wide range of picture adjustments
> Independent memory inputs
CONS
> Inaccurate colour and slight motion blurring
> Average styling considering the price
> Some connectivity issues
> 1080p only though HDMI (not component or VGA)
Note: Clouding may be specific to our review model.
SAMSUNG LE40M86BD 40 in LCT TV - £879.10+£16.90 del
I rad on a couple of forums there were issues with this model too on bluray
hdtvtest
SUMMARY
Samsung LE40M86BD is a massive improvement over its predecessor, and one of the best LCD TVs in its class.
1080p over VGA, Component and HDMI
PROS
> Excellent black level + high calibrated contrast ratio
> Super Clear Panel™ adds depth and realism
> Generous connectivity (three HDMI 1.3)
CONS
> Less-defined shadow detail
> Inaccurate colours
> Awkward film mode deinterlacing
Compariosons:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/1080p-LCD-Shootout/
It would be REALLY helpful if people shared their expriences/added recommendations, at this point in time i am leaning towards the Sharp/Sony as they seem to have the better picture quality according to reviews
My requirements:
-intended for use with a wii and a PS3, also a PC for movie and a couple of games but this isnt high priority. The ps3 and wii arent plugged in at the same time for the majority of the time, and i have a S-Video to SCART atm for pc to tv so worst case i could do without a VGA port.
-1080p, please keep the 720 vs 1080 to a minimum please i seen the 2 in action in show rooms and to me at least the difference is very clear
-42" is the size i am aiming for, but 40" is fine i dont really want to go any lower than that.
-Be able to play SD at a reasonable rate, this is not a priority at all but i would like the tv to be ok to view
-Approximately £900-ish budget
Now i have narrowed it down to:
Toshiba Regza 42X3030D 42in LCD TV - £840 + free delivery
Trusted Reviews - 9/10
HDTVOrg - 88%
HDTVTest
I was really interested in this tv and it seemed to have glowing reviews, but when searching user pov's and this forum i found it seems to have problems running blu-ray
SUMMARY
The 42X3030D is Toshiba's latest effort in the 1080 LCD arena, holding it's own where colour and low-light detail is concerned.
VGA: 1360x768 WXGA
HDMI: 50/60 Hz (includes 24FPS, altho there is conflicting info from users)
PROS
> True 1080p panel, accepts and displays 1080p source.
> Excellent colour after calibration
> Attractive, gloss frame design
CONS
> Greyscale behaviour inconsistent
> No greyscale or gamma controls
> Mild digital noise
Sharp LC42XD1E 42in LCD TV - £868.10+16.50 del
trustedreviews - 9/10
hdtvorg - 92%
hdtvtest
SUMMARY
As the cheapest 46-inch 1080p LCD TV available on the market today, Sharp LC46XD1E offers excellent value-for-money despite some flaws.
PROS
> Fantastic black level + high calibrated contrast ratio
> Pin-sharp high resolution detail
> Unbeatable price point: £1350 for a 46-inch 1080p LCD TV
CONS
> Screen uniformity issues ('banding')
> Electronic buzz (even in standby) and low-pitched hum
> Red push
Sony KDL40W2000 40in LCD TV - £979.00+Free delivery
1staudiovisual
CNET - 9.3
hdtvorg - 5 stars
Hdtvtest
This ones more expensive but is the extra cost worth it?, also is there a difference between the above and the Sony KDL40W2000U ?
SUMMARY
This model is our current 1080p LCD TV class leader for picture quality and tweakability, this side of 1500 pounds.
HDMI: 1080p
Component: 1080i
VGA: 1360x768
PROS
> Excellent image with good contrast and respectable blacks
> Wide range of picture adjustments
> Independent memory inputs
CONS
> Inaccurate colour and slight motion blurring
> Average styling considering the price
> Some connectivity issues
> 1080p only though HDMI (not component or VGA)
Note: Clouding may be specific to our review model.
SAMSUNG LE40M86BD 40 in LCT TV - £879.10+£16.90 del
I rad on a couple of forums there were issues with this model too on bluray
hdtvtest
SUMMARY
Samsung LE40M86BD is a massive improvement over its predecessor, and one of the best LCD TVs in its class.
1080p over VGA, Component and HDMI
PROS
> Excellent black level + high calibrated contrast ratio
> Super Clear Panel™ adds depth and realism
> Generous connectivity (three HDMI 1.3)
CONS
> Less-defined shadow detail
> Inaccurate colours
> Awkward film mode deinterlacing
Compariosons:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/1080p-LCD-Shootout/
It would be REALLY helpful if people shared their expriences/added recommendations
, at this point in time i am leaning towards the Sharp/Sony as they seem to have the better picture quality according to reviews
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I've had that Sharp XD1 42", and now own Samsung M86 40"
If the Sharp didn't have the common faults, then would have been happy with that, as it is though it suffered from backlight hum at most backlight settings, some ghosting that only showed up on certain scenes, banding on the second set, and standby buzzing.
Conncecitivity on the Samsung is much better, one extra HDMI port, dedicated component & VGA inputs -Sharp which only supports 720p/1366x768 over component/VGA. VGA definietly supports 1920x1080p, as tested it myself.
The Sony uses a previous gen Samsung panel, the Samsung M86 is newer gen. As for picture there was a couple of months gap between Sharp and Samsung so can't say about PQ.
If the Sharp didn't have the common faults, then would have been happy with that, as it is though it suffered from backlight hum at most backlight settings, some ghosting that only showed up on certain scenes, banding on the second set, and standby buzzing.
Conncecitivity on the Samsung is much better, one extra HDMI port, dedicated component & VGA inputs -Sharp which only supports 720p/1366x768 over component/VGA. VGA definietly supports 1920x1080p, as tested it myself.
The Sony uses a previous gen Samsung panel, the Samsung M86 is newer gen. As for picture there was a couple of months gap between Sharp and Samsung so can't say about PQ.
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if you buy the sharp you need to get the Sharp LC42XD1EA which replaced the older model due to various problems, i thought the other was discontinued and unavailable sos
Ultimately i think its down to the Sharp and Samsung now due to the sony having a older screen,
The samsung has full 1080p over vga, component and HDMI
whereas the sharp but you cannot do 1080p over vga or component
However the sharp has a better picture quality
Choices
Ultimately i think its down to the Sharp and Samsung now due to the sony having a older screen,
The samsung has full 1080p over vga, component and HDMI
whereas the sharp but you cannot do 1080p over vga or component
However the sharp has a better picture quality
Choices
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Just to confirm the Samsung i should be looking for is:
Samsung LE-40M87BDX
right?
Samsung LE-40M87BDX
right?
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so the m87 has a worse picture not better? 
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ah oksquiffy said:
thanks a bunch
Just going to take the plunge before i lose my mind in indecision
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I thought it was the n87 which had the matt screen, and both the m86 and m87 both have gloss screen.
Just only one (large)retailer sold the m86 and everyone else got the m87
Just only one (large)retailer sold the m86 and everyone else got the m87
Soldato
Hi, you are correct sven256, squiffy has it wrong as the M86 and the M87 have identical panels. I've the M87 and I can assure you it is glossy....
ChrisC
EDIT Re-read squiffy's post and now I understand he probably meant the LCD panel surround not the actual LCD panel itself...
ChrisC
ChrisC
EDIT Re-read squiffy's post and now I understand he probably meant the LCD panel surround not the actual LCD panel itself...
ChrisC
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