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The problem will be 'solved' by further price rises and shortages, though it wont be pretty.

Enjoy your pertrol-based cars whilst you can, Im sure things will look very different a decade from now.

The difference is that nobody I know beleived the Iraqi Information Minister, so there isnt a lot of point in me pointing out propaganda when its already blatant. As for Al Jazeera, well I dont get that channel myself, so if I were to comment on it it would only be based on reports in our press...

If it was just media hype then I wouldnt worry about it, its Rumsfeld & others hyping up certain events and telling them to shutup about others that makes me shout. Its funny watching his press conferences in full, because he frequently tells the media how they should think, so it becomes easy...

Aha well I was just quoting a news story from AFP so I dont know the true numbers. OK I do see your point, but I still found it necessary to highlight these protests considering all the over the top backslapping and self-congratulation that accompanied the Saddam Statue fall event. I guess Im...

Well if you are going to call them numpties when its their country then so much for caring about their freedom! At the end of the day who cares what any of us here think about it, they're the ones who have to live under this new regime. Oh so why is the situation so different when comparing...

NASIRIYAH, Iraq (AFP) - The United States was meeting with opposition groups to spell out its vision of a post-Saddam Iraq but thousands took to the streets in protest against US influence over the nation's future. The rally of around 20,000 mostly Shiite Muslims, unthinkable just a week...

And from the same article this shocking tale... There is also some embarrassment over Sheikh Muzahim Tamimi, the tribal leader appointed by Britain to take charge of Basra province. It has emerged that he is a former brigadier-general in Saddam Hussein's army and was once a member of the...

Free to do bad things War leaders are trying to damp down bad news coming out of post-invasion Iraq, writes Brian Whitaker The Guardian: Saturday April 12, 2003 On one of the bleakest days since the invasion began, US defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld yesterday shrugged off turmoil and...

Rumsfeld pops at the press all the time and tells them how to do their job, what they should be reporting and even thinking. This is probably why they enjoyed attacking him so much the otehr week.

The reason it would be better for the UN to find them is that it would stop cynics like me from pondering as to whether there was a chance any of the evidence had been falsified.

But thats my point, who are these mystical pacifists who will have been surprised by todays events? As someone who has very many times condemned the war, I thought you might of included me in that category thats all.

Well funnily enough thats always been my concern too, but obviosuly we see it rather differently and I dont see either of us totally understanding our respective positions, oh well. I still dont know who exactly was supposed to be in denial that the Iraqi's would react like they have? eg...

I didnt mean that the UN should not be involved in Iraq, or that it was just Americas fault that Afghanistan went wrong. Yes Iraq is very different to Afghanistan, my point was that America needs to have the will to do the right thing, and as they are providing force then they should ensure...

I do doubt that very much. All the media stories I read were that the US lost interest, they dont listen to the left so I cant blame the left for that mess! Hah in fact I find that quite funny, the left are interested in nation building, Bush isnt. He even said during his election campaign "I...

The point was that theres no great joy in liberating people if you remove one bad thing only to let other bad stuff happen in its place. Rather central to what will happen in Iraq in my opinion.

Oh I didnt think the failures in Afghanistan were in dispute, I'll send this thread too far off topic if I go on about that much now, I'll start another thread sometime but basically warlords still control most of the country and only Kabul is secure in any traditional sense. In other words...

Fair enough. Often when people decide to do something though they have one particular motive in mind and others are just bonuses or things that are used to do the sell and justify the act. Anyway no matter, the results are what count now, we've seen bad things happen and good things happen...

Sorry but I havent seen one ounce of evidence that in any way disproves the oil motive. I cant convince you that it is about oil, you cant convince me that it isnt. Stalemate, so we'll have to wait and see. I cant believe it, I really really cannot believe that so many people believe the...

No I cant be going through it all again, I mean weve been talking in depth about this stuff for more than 6 months now, I havent changed my stance at all during that entire time, very few people have. Show me someone who thought the Iraqis would be unhappy to see Saddam gone? In terms of the...