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I've said repeatedly I don't know what the actual level of fraud is, so f knows why ur asking this. This whole point is that ID removes the uncertainty and that's why it's good.

Lawyers can take care of it if OCUK don't.

Big bad scary ID gonna get ya :p

lol, cba to keep repeating myself. Nobody's gonna change their minds anyway. Voter ID is coming in, so whine about it, or don't, up to you :)

There is no way those things can prove fraud is low. Look into it more closely.

As I've said many times, there's no way to know. Yet others are happy to claim fraud is low.

Well, if I know you're not voting, I can show up at your polling station and vote as you. Nobody would ever know. That's one. Requiring ID is nothing like locking someone up for murder. What a load of nonsense.

Well, I have the noblechairs hero real leather, that's a good chair. Not cheap, but you won't be throwing it away in a year either.

The point is there's no way to catch the fraud, so it's impossible to prove the current levels of fraud. It may not be high, we don't know, but it's not as low as people claim either.

Is there any way for us to verify this really is what it claims? Not that I'm bothered, just seems like twitter garbage.

That link proves my point.

Produce said data that proves 99.9999whatever percent of votes were legit, and thus the remainder were fraud. Because people complain about requiring ID because it would mean all the people without ID can't vote. They do it because they want to claim a bigger number. But the reality is some of...

There's an assumption they would vote. The evidence says not everyone votes (see any turnout stats ever). and how do they know? hint: they don't. it's impossible.

How do you know?

Wtf is your problem. Go away.

You don't know they're rapists. And you don't know there's no voter fraud. At least you're consistent too.

It's creepy af that you remember that conversation from ages ago. There's no inconsistency in my views though. One is "don't convict someone without evidence" and the other is "don't claim you know how much voter fraud there is when you can't prove it". Both about evidence being required.

Probably a good idea to raise the voting age while we're at it. That fixes the student ID problem.

Not being able to provide evidence just means you can't provide evidence, it doesn't mean there isn't voter fraud. The truth is we have no idea how much voter fraud there is. Edit: lol @ Angela Rayner "There were 6 cases of voter fraud at the last election.". How the f could she know how many...

OK so there needs to be some sort of photo ID charity to fix that. Then we can use photo ID. Those whining about rights can choose not to vote if they can't deal with carrying ID for 5 minutes.