2005 French Grand Prix

AndrewP · 29 Jun 2005 at 22:23

Flibster said:
Just found these images of the new Ferrari tyre 'blankets...'

Don't look like blankets to me - resistive heating elements in a box maybe...but not blankets...

Simon/~Flibster

Sounds and looks like an oven to me. Breaking the spirit of the law if not the letter?

I'm not much of a physicist, but from when I worked in a pizza shop the heated bags were fairly warm on the outside, surely a box would be a lot better at keeping the heat in and/or redirecting towards the tyre.

With no tyre changes for pit-stops there isn't any need to get tyres between the heated storage and the car quickly anymore which these box thingys would slow down surely, maybe thats why we haven't seen them before?

Flibster · 29 Jun 2005 at 22:26

AndrewP said:
Sounds and looks like an oven to me. Breaking the spirit of the law if not the letter?

I'm not much of a physicist, but from when I worked in a pizza shop the heated bags were fairly warm on the outside, surely a box would be a lot better at keeping the heat in and/or redirecting towards the tyre.

With no tyre changes for pit-stops there isn't any need to get tyres between the heated storage and the car quickly anymore which these box thingys would slow down surely, maybe thats why we haven't seen them before?

Aaaah - but what you could do is put them in that for most of the time - 120 seconds before the car comes in put them in the blankets - 30 seconds before the car comes in - remove the blankets. Not much more work.

Also McLaren tried them last year and were told they were not in keeping with the spirit of the rules...

Well McLaren - you can legally use them now.

Simon/~Flibster

Flibster · 29 Jun 2005 at 22:27

Joe T said:
Thanks for keeping us up to date Flibster.

andyfield said:
Cheers for keeping us updated Flibster. Whole situation still stinks

Welcome - Trying to keep this a full reference for whats going on - most of the other F1 sites have slowed down considerably..

Simon/~Flibster

vanpeebles · 29 Jun 2005 at 22:31

its funny really because that ferrari press release went on about how sporting they always are and how they do everything with a fair sporting ideal etc etc no one theres a passionate dislike for them

Flibster · 30 Jun 2005 at 08:22

Just been sent this - the teams were found guilty on a charge ther were not presented with. :confused:

The Formula 1 teams have pointed out a curious anomaly in the FIA World Council judgment of yesterday. The teams went to Paris accused of "acts prejudicial to the interests of a competition" and specifically a charge of having "wrongfully refused to allow your cars to race, subject to a speed restriction in one corner which was safe for such tyres as you had available" but were found guilty of a different charge which was "wrongfully refusing to allow their cars to start the race, having regard to their right to use the pit lane on each lap".

It is not clear why this would be the case but there is no doubt from the FIA documentation that it is indeed what happened. In legal terms, the two are clearly not the same thing.

Richard T · 30 Jun 2005 at 08:30

andyfield said:
Cheers for keeping us updated Flibster. Whole situation still stinks

seconded......good stuff Mr Flibster

Richard T · 30 Jun 2005 at 09:41

Flibster said:
With the teams wanting fewer races next year...

The World Council has reserved 20 dates in 2006:

12 March
19 March
02 April
16 April
30 April
14 May
28 May
04 June
18 June
25 June
02 July
16 July
30 July
06 August
27 August
10 September
17 September
01 October
15 October
22 October

Looks to be between every 1-3 weeks.

Cool...the more the better

Dutch Guy · 30 Jun 2005 at 13:46

ashtray_head said:
Cool...the more the better

That depends, only if the racing is competetive and with more than 6 cars

Mad old tory · 30 Jun 2005 at 14:46

I like the way Madmax says it isn't for him to attack Michelin and then promptly attacks them. Muppet :rolleyes:

Richard T · 30 Jun 2005 at 15:09

Dutch Guy said:
That depends, only if the racing is competetive and with more than 6 cars

well more that 6 cars would be better!

Flibster · 1 Jul 2005 at 14:31

Holy hell...

This dropped onto page 5 in under 24 hours! :eek:

Anyway - now doing the Friday Free practice stats.

Dutch Guy · 1 Jul 2005 at 14:35

Flibster said:
Holy hell...

This dropped onto page 5 in under 24 hours!

Anyway - now doing the Friday Free practice stats.

Everyone was anxiously waiting for an update

Flibster · 1 Jul 2005 at 14:39

Friday Free Practice 1.

Code:

[b]Pos	No	Driver			Team			Time[/b]
1	35	Pedro de la Rosa	McLaren-Mercedes	1:14.778		
2	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			1:15.183		
3	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			1:15.255		
4	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		1:15.530		
5	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	1:15.877		
6	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		1:16.038		
7	38	Olivier Panis		Toyota			1:16.146		
8	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	1:16.366		
9	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			1:16.731		
10	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		1:16.758		
11	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			1:16.838		
12	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		1:17.168		
13	15	Christian Klien		Red Bull Racing		1:17.343		
14	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			1:17.389		
15	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		1:17.451		
16	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		1:17.777		
17	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		1:18.192		
18	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	Red Bull Racing		1:18.876		
19	39	Robert Doornbos		Jordan-Toyota		1:19.001		
20	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		1:20.067		
21	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	1:20.382		
22	20	Patrick Friesacher	Minardi-Cosworth	1:20.725		
23	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		1:21.725		
24	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota

Sector Times - Free Practice 1

Code:

[b]Sector 1[/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	35	Pedro de la Rosa	24.081 
2	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	24.470 
3	5	Fernando Alonso		24.475 
4	9	Kimi Räikkönen		24.569 
5	38	Olivier Panis		24.573 
6	4	Takuma Sato		24.593 
7	3	Jenson Button		24.664 
8	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	24.717 
9	1	Michael Schumacher	24.820 
10	7	Mark Webber		24.832 
11	14	David Coulthard		24.839 
12	2	Rubens Barrichello	24.847 
13	8	Nick Heidfeld		24.875 
14	15	Christian Klien		24.922 
15	17	Ralf Schumacher		24.962 
16	12	Felipe Massa		25.080 
17	11	Jacques Villeneuve	25.148 
18	39	Robert Doornbos		25.441 
19	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	25.447 
20	19	Narain Karthikeyan	25.467 
21	21	Christijan Albers	25.875 
22	18	Tiago Monteiro		25.942 
23	20	Patrick Friesacher	26.336

Code:

[b]Sector 2 [/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	35	Pedro de la Rosa	26.060 
2	5	Fernando Alonso		26.146 
3	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	26.285 
4	9	Kimi Räikkönen		26.407 
5	4	Takuma Sato		26.453 
6	3	Jenson Button		26.491 
7	38	Olivier Panis		26.525 
8	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	26.597 
9	17	Ralf Schumacher		26.718 
10	1	Michael Schumacher	26.844 
11	2	Rubens Barrichello	26.901 
12	15	Christian Klien		26.923 
13	8	Nick Heidfeld		26.947 
14	14	David Coulthard		27.007 
15	7	Mark Webber		27.074 
16	12	Felipe Massa		27.247 
17	11	Jacques Villeneuve	27.301 
18	39	Robert Doornbos		27.489 
19	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	27.598 
20	18	Tiago Monteiro		27.782 
21	19	Narain Karthikeyan	27.886 
22	20	Patrick Friesacher	27.966 
23	21	Christijan Albers	28.085 
24	16	Jarno Trulli		35.968

Code:

[b]Sector 3 [/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	4	Takuma Sato		24.401 
2	5	Fernando Alonso		24.471 
3	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	24.498 
4	35	Pedro de la Rosa	24.509 
5	9	Kimi Räikkönen		24.827 
6	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	24.844 
7	38	Olivier Panis		24.862 
8	8	Nick Heidfeld		24.873 
9	3	Jenson Button		24.881 
10	17	Ralf Schumacher		24.920 
11	1	Michael Schumacher	24.970 
12	7	Mark Webber		25.265 
13	15	Christian Klien		25.275 
14	12	Felipe Massa		25.321 
15	14	David Coulthard		25.322 
16	2	Rubens Barrichello	25.326 
17	11	Jacques Villeneuve	25.686 
18	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	25.783 
19	39	Robert Doornbos		26.071 
20	21	Christijan Albers	26.237 
21	20	Patrick Friesacher	26.267 
22	19	Narain Karthikeyan	26.458 
23	18	Tiago Monteiro		26.787 
24	16	Jarno Trulli		37.945

Speed Trap

Code:

[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time		Speed[/b]
1	38	Olivier Panis		11:55:27	315.9 
2	9	Kimi Räikkönen		11:56:00	315.3 
3	5	Fernando Alonso		11:48:46	315.2 
4	35	Pedro de la Rosa	11:55:03	314.7 
5	12	Felipe Massa		11:56:21	314.7 
6	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	11:54:21	314.3 
7	39	Robert Doornbos		11:55:47	313.0 
8	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	11:54:38	311.7 
9	21	Christijan Albers	11:56:42	311.5 
10	3	Jenson Button		11:55:48	311.2 
11	11	Jacques Villeneuve	11:56:53	310.3 
12	19	Narain Karthikeyan	11:55:05	309.5 
13	14	David Coulthard		11:55:07	309.2 
14	4	Takuma Sato		11:56:49	309.1 
15	17	Ralf Schumacher		11:56:40	308.9 
16	15	Christian Klien		11:52:38	308.3 
17	1	Michael Schumacher	11:38:23	306.5 
18	2	Rubens Barrichello	11:42:02	306.1 
19	8	Nick Heidfeld		11:54:49	305.7 
20	7	Mark Webber		11:54:57	305.0 
21	20	Patrick Friesacher	11:59:45	304.8 
22	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	11:48:46	303.6 
23	18	Tiago Monteiro		11:30:56	303.5 
24	16	Jarno Trulli		11:39:29	250.8

Flibster · 1 Jul 2005 at 14:39

Friday Free Practice 2.

Code:

[b]Pos	No	Driver			Team			Time[/b]
1	35	Pedro de la Rosa	McLaren-Mercedes	1:14.460		
2	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	1:15.129		
3	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			1:15.204		
4	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			1:15.242		
5	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			1:15.380		
6	38	Olivier Panis		Toyota			1:15.483		
7	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			1:15.605		
8	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			1:15.774		
9	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			1:15.925		
10	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		1:16.371		
11	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		1:16.430		
12	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		1:16.597		
13	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		1:16.753		
14	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		1:16.890		
15	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	Red Bull Racing		1:16.987		
16	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		1:17.107		
17	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		1:17.192		
18	39	Robert Doornbos		Jordan-Toyota		1:17.574		
19	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		1:17.790		
20	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	1:18.508		
21	20	Patrick Friesacher	Minardi-Cosworth	1:18.814		
22	15	Christian Klien		Red Bull Racing		1:18.897		
23	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		1:19.186		
24	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes

Sector Times - Free Practice 2

Code:

[b]Sector 1[/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	35	Pedro de la Rosa	24.036 
2	5	Fernando Alonso		24.301 
3	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	24.309 
4	1	Michael Schumacher	24.338 
5	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	24.441 
6	38	Olivier Panis		24.513 
7	12	Felipe Massa		24.531 
8	2	Rubens Barrichello	24.545 
9	17	Ralf Schumacher		24.545 
10	16	Jarno Trulli		24.603 
11	15	Christian Klien		24.612 
12	3	Jenson Button		24.653 
13	14	David Coulthard		24.656 
14	4	Takuma Sato		24.810 
15	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	24.819 
16	7	Mark Webber		24.852 
17	11	Jacques Villeneuve	24.870 
18	9	Kimi Räikkönen		24.881 
19	8	Nick Heidfeld		24.940 
20	39	Robert Doornbos		25.174 
21	21	Christijan Albers	25.210 
22	19	Narain Karthikeyan	25.268 
23	20	Patrick Friesacher	25.570 
24	18	Tiago Monteiro		25.664

Code:

[b]Sector 2 [/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	35	Pedro de la Rosa	25.996 
2	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	26.094 
3	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	26.167 
4	38	Olivier Panis		26.246 
5	5	Fernando Alonso		26.279 
6	2	Rubens Barrichello	26.306 
7	1	Michael Schumacher	26.388 
8	16	Jarno Trulli		26.470 
9	14	David Coulthard		26.594 
10	17	Ralf Schumacher		26.627 
11	11	Jacques Villeneuve	26.648 
12	3	Jenson Button		26.752 
13	4	Takuma Sato		26.893 
14	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	26.908 
15	12	Felipe Massa		26.921 
16	19	Narain Karthikeyan	27.031 
17	7	Mark Webber		27.041 
18	39	Robert Doornbos		27.055 
19	21	Christijan Albers	27.127 
20	8	Nick Heidfeld		27.139 
21	20	Patrick Friesacher	27.372 
22	15	Christian Klien		27.399 
23	18	Tiago Monteiro		27.527 
24	9	Kimi Räikkönen		29.000

Code:

[b]Sector 3 [/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	35	Pedro de la Rosa	24.364 
2	5	Fernando Alonso		24.463 
3	1	Michael Schumacher	24.478 
4	38	Olivier Panis		24.580 
5	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	24.592 
6	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	24.594 
7	16	Jarno Trulli		24.701 
8	17	Ralf Schumacher		24.753 
9	2	Rubens Barrichello	24.754 
10	3	Jenson Button		24.865 
11	4	Takuma Sato		24.895 
12	11	Jacques Villeneuve	24.912 
13	14	David Coulthard		25.041 
14	8	Nick Heidfeld		25.080 
15	39	Robert Doornbos		25.134 
16	12	Felipe Massa		25.138 
17	7	Mark Webber		25.154 
18	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	25.242 
19	19	Narain Karthikeyan	25.424 
20	15	Christian Klien		25.646 
21	20	Patrick Friesacher	25.746 
22	18	Tiago Monteiro		25.794 
23	21	Christijan Albers	25.823 
24	9	Kimi Räikkönen		26.421

Speed Trap

Code:

[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time		Speed[/b]
1	35	Pedro de la Rosa	14:13:43	323.8 
2	5	Fernando Alonso		14:46:29	320.7 
3	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	14:50:24	315.1 
4	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	14:55:11	314.6 
5	38	Olivier Panis		14:47:13	313.6 
6	21	Christijan Albers	14:55:25	313.4 
7	1	Michael Schumacher	14:47:18	313.2 
8	2	Rubens Barrichello	14:40:32	313.0 
9	4	Takuma Sato		14:56:37	313.0 
10	11	Jacques Villeneuve	14:56:01	312.9 
11	12	Felipe Massa		14:43:58	312.5 
12	39	Robert Doornbos		14:56:16	312.4 
13	9	Kimi Räikkönen		14:02:51	311.5 
14	16	Jarno Trulli		14:43:53	311.2 
15	3	Jenson Button		14:15:35	311.1 
16	17	Ralf Schumacher		14:12:05	310.1 
17	15	Christian Klien		14:13:00	309.5 
18	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	14:45:34	309.4 
19	14	David Coulthard		14:56:17	309.4 
20	8	Nick Heidfeld		14:56:35	306.9 
21	20	Patrick Friesacher	14:56:01	306.3 
22	18	Tiago Monteiro		14:13:15	306.2 
23	19	Narain Karthikeyan	14:28:42	305.8 
24	7	Mark Webber		14:44:20	305.6

AndrewP · 1 Jul 2005 at 14:40

Flibster said:
Holy hell...

This dropped onto page 5 in under 24 hours!

Anyway - now doing the Friday Free practice stats.

Mainly Conrad spamming I think :rolleyes:

There's a GP on this weekend? I thought they were all busy arguing. Good thing Magny-Cours is relatively close to Paris, or they'd never make it to the circuit on time!

Flibster · 1 Jul 2005 at 14:41

That do for an update?

Simon/~Flibster

AndrewP · 1 Jul 2005 at 14:46

BBC News said:
There had been talk of boycotts after 14 cars refused to race in the US Grand Prix because of concerns over tyre safety.

But, after world governing body the FIA helped diffuse the situation by adjourning punishment on the teams until September

Delaying the punishment didn't help, it just leaves it hanging over the teams for the rest of the European season.

Flibster · 1 Jul 2005 at 14:51

Oh just found out that Raikkonen has had a probable engine failure and as such will be starting from 10 places down on his qualifying position.

...and probably full of fuel....

Flibster · 1 Jul 2005 at 15:26

Oh..and if a passing don reads this...

Could you move these threads to the archive please with the rest of the 2005 GP ones.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17418826 - European GP.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17425747 - Canadian GP.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17428734 - US GP.

Ta.

Simon/~Flibster

Type_R · 1 Jul 2005 at 15:27

Flibster said:
Oh just found out that Raikkonen has had a probable engine failure and as such will be starting from 10 places down on his qualifying position.

...and probably full of fuel....

Might make for some exciting racing!