2005 Hungarian Grand Prix

Flibster · 28 Jul 2005 at 09:53

Everywhere is cheaper than Silverstone near enough *except possibly Monaco..*

But Belgium is so much better to visit...

Apart from the fact that at least once over the weekend it will pee down.

Plus - good chocolate AND good beer.

Simon/~Flibster

Ted.B · 28 Jul 2005 at 10:10

Spa , if you turn up early enough you can drive some parts of the track , I will never forget my blast down to Eau Rouge in that poor hire car, had it doing impressions of an F1 car on thursday afternoon and then took it rallying over a muddy campsite in the evening . Trying to get to sleep in a flimsy tent while hearing other cars doing similiar silly stunts just feet away was quite tricky.

Flibster · 28 Jul 2005 at 10:20

Part of the track is a road...

It is also the only piece of smooth tarmac in the whole of Belgium.

Superb track though. If only they would restore the Bust Stop to it's old format..

Simon/~Flibster

Ted.B · 28 Jul 2005 at 10:35

Yes , much of the local road network bears witness to the old track as well , I was suprised how often I spotted old kerbs still painted red and white. Given it had been 30 years since they had last been part of the circuit I reckon the council must have gone to the trouble of keeping them smart.

Dutch Guy · 28 Jul 2005 at 10:45

I thought that nowadays the road isn't used as a road anymore and purely a racetrack and that the road you can drive on is part of the Le Mans track?

Flibster · 28 Jul 2005 at 11:11

Red Bull are ripping the urine again..

www.redbullracing.com said:
TRAVELLING TO THE HUNGARIAN GP

“Well Doctor, what’s the news?”
“It’s bad, I’m afraid, you have only got a week to live.”
“Oh dear, is there nothing I can do?”
“I guess you could go to Budapest and watch the Hungarian Grand Prix.”
“Will that help me to live longer?”
“No, but watching the Hungarian GP sure does feel like a lifetime!”

Some grand prix venues offer a great technical challenge, or provide a spectacular backdrop for a race or are just part of F1 history. But the question most often asked when the circus pitches its tent at the Hungaroring is “Why?”

Sometimes described as Monaco without the barriers, because the track is very slow, tight, twisty and offers virtually zero overtaking opportunities, it could also be described as Monaco without the racing history, character, glamour, glitz, celebrities or fun and of course, there is no sea.

Actually, Hungary does have some motorsport history, as a Hungarian with an unpronounceable name won the first ever grand prix, at the wheel of a Renault, in 1906. He was by no means out of the ordinary in having an unpronounceable name for those of us coming from the other side of Europe, as the Hungarian language is severely constipated and has not seen a vowel movement in several centuries. Roll-call at Hungarian schools is very dull from A to R and then livens up like nobody’s business from S to Z.

This race’s saving grace is the city of Budapest, reckoned to be one of the most beautiful in Eastern Europe. It is split into two areas, Buda and Pest, by the river Danube. The locals make a big fuss about this fact, even though it is well known that other capital cities are also divided by rivers: Lon and Don divided by the Thames and Par and Is divided by the Seine, to name just two.

Actually, the character of Budapest changed a great deal since the days when those other two cities in Germany, Ber and Lin, decided to remove the wall that divided them. In the early days of the Hungarian Grand Prix, life in Budapest was cheap for Westerners and for the price of a hotdog, you could dine on champagne and caviar. Nowadays, the price of a hotdog will buy you a hotdog.

Which brings us onto the subject of the local cuisine. As a landlocked country, Hungary sees extremes of temperature, from freezing cold in winter to boiling hot in summer. Unfortunately, it is clear that Hungarian cookbooks only cover the months from October to April. Warming stews, dumplings, goose liver cooked in its own fat might all be very nice when the wind is blowing in from Siberia, but less appetising at the time of year when the mercury in the thermometer rises as high as the Danube did a few years back. We are not the only ones to complain and even the famous Russian dissident Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote a pamphlet on the subject called “The Goulash Archipelago.”

When F1 first came to Budapest, the city looked grey and tired and one journalist described shopping here as a great experience if there was anything you had forgotten to buy back in the Sixties. Now it is a buzzing capital with plenty to do and a great nightlife. So, this weekend can be summed up as a case of love the city, hate the race track.

At least that come off better than the French GP.

Ted.B · 28 Jul 2005 at 13:07

Flibster said:
Reason - the Cosworth that year was down on power but was a very smooth power delivery and the track rewards smooth drivers. Which Damon was.

Simon/~Flibster

The Cosworth may well have been down on power but I don't reckon that had much to do with Hill's performance as he was powered by Yamaha in 97 .

Dutch Guy · 28 Jul 2005 at 13:13

Ted.B said:
The Cosworth may well have been down on power but I don't reckon that had much to do with Hill's performance as he was powered by Yamaha in 97 .

Flibster · 28 Jul 2005 at 13:19

D'oh...

That what happens when doing it from memory.

Simon/~Flibster

Richard T · 28 Jul 2005 at 14:05

Dutch Guy said:
Not really a clarification is it and what about blisters and tyres like MS had in the last GP?

well it is the FIA and we know how they like to make things simple

Richard T · 28 Jul 2005 at 14:07

Ted.B said:
Hungary allways gets a lot of stick but it's a great race to attend , cheaper than silverstone even with a flight , and you save more every time you down a pint .

very very low possibility of overtaking makes it a BAD track for me. would rather go to silverstone

Richard T · 28 Jul 2005 at 14:10

Flibster said:
Everywhere is cheaper than Silverstone near enough *except possibly Monaco..*

But Belgium is so much better to visit...

Apart from the fact that at least once over the weekend it will pee down. Plus - good chocolate AND good beer.

Simon/~Flibster

Simon, I can't belive you never mentioned Eau Rouge!!! :eek:

I'd love to go there....nearly did once but went Monaco instead

Richard T · 28 Jul 2005 at 14:12

Ted.B said:
The Cosworth may well have been down on power but I don't reckon that had much to do with Hill's performance as he was powered by Yamaha in 97 .

I seem to remember him being on the right tyres as well

rpstewart · 28 Jul 2005 at 14:19

ashtray_head said:
well it is the FIA and we know how they like to make things simple

Unfortunately that is simple for the FIA - if you want to see some really confusing stuff go for the F1 Tech Regs.

Bodywork in front of the rear wheels

Other than the rear view mirrors, each with a maximum
area in plan view of 12000mm², no bodywork situated more
than 330mm behind the front wheel centre line and more
than 330mm forward of the rear wheel centre line, which is
more than 600mm above the reference plane, may be more
than 300mm from the centre line of the car.

Oh and they define a car as a vehicle having 4 or more non aligned wheels with at least two wheels used for steering and at least 2 for propulsion. Then they go and limit you to 4 wheels and ban 4WD & 4WS :confused:

Flibster · 28 Jul 2005 at 23:31

Ikkle Johnny's back!

Jordan Grand Prix and the Midland Group have announced the appointment of former F1 driver Johnny Herbert to the position of sporting relations manager, effective immediately.

The newly-created position, which reports directly to the managing director, encompasses 'a wide array of responsibilities relating to driver, media, partner and sponsor relations'.

"I am pleased to welcome Johnny to the team," said Jordan's MD, Colin Kolles. "His experience and knowledge of motorsport will be of great value to us as we continue learning and moving forward.

"He is also an extremely likeable character and someone we are proud to have as a representative of our team. His involvement will add a positive dimension to every aspect of our operation and we are all very happy to have him aboard."

Herbert, who recently celebrated his 41st birthday, returns to the team he drove for in the British F3 Championship, which he won, and Formula 3000.

Following graduation from the lower ranks, he went on to enjoy a F1 career that spanned 11 years with the Benetton, Tyrrell, Lotus, Ligier, Sauber, Stewart, Jaguar and Arrows teams. During that period, he participated in 161 races, scored 98 points and won 3 Grands Prix.

Since retiring from F1, Herbert has concentrated on sports car racing, where he has emerged as a dominant force, adding the 2004 Le Mans Endurance Series Championship to his historic Le Mans victory in 1991 with Mazda.

"It is an honour and a pleasure to be back in F1 racing with a team I feel so familiar with. Although I never drove for Jordan in F1, it still feels like a homecoming of sorts," added Herbert.

"At the same time, I am excited about my new role and look forward to contributing as much as possible as the team repositions itself as Midland for the 2006 season. Management and I have discussed plans for the launch of Midland F1 and I'm thrilled to be involved at the inception of such a dynamic and ambitious project."

So now Louise can go up to him again and ask what went wrong this time.

Simon/~Flibster

Flibster · 28 Jul 2005 at 23:38

British Department of Health to Finally Clarify Tobacco Issues

The British department of health will, in the nick of time, issue advice to UK based, tobacco backed F1 teams on Thursday.

Renault, BAR and Jordan have - for months - faced uncertainty about whether they could be prosecuted criminally for wearing cigarette liveries even outside of the European Union.

The tobacco-ad ban descends on July 31, the day of the Hungarian grand prix near Budapest.

Woking based McLaren is not included in the list of insecure teams as it will this weekend split with nine year tobacco sponsor West in favour of new backer Johnnie Walker.

The European Commission, meanwhile, warned tobacco teams to not even try to circumvent the ban by running the often seen subliminal branding, such as Ferrari's red, white and black solution or replacing tobacco brand names with alternate text but in the same font, shape or style.

''Advertising means any form of commercial communication with the aim or direct or indirect effect of promoting a tobacco product,'' read a statement.

The EU also expressed confidence that it would defeat the Nurburgring's legal challenge to topple the ban.

Emlyn_Dewar · 29 Jul 2005 at 08:19

I hate this track, however the lack of overtaking could probably be put down to the aero rules for this week...
Have they not put in a new hairpin or some other sort of malarky to maybe improve the spectacle...

Unfortunately, the only way to improve the spectacle this week would be to throw tacks on the road, and occasionally send out the house robots from robot wars to ruin stuff.

Flibster · 29 Jul 2005 at 19:42

Friday Free Practice 1.

Code:

[b]Pos	No	Driver			Team			Time[/b]
1	35	Alexander Wurz		McLaren-Mercedes	1:21.411		
2	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			1:22.834		
3	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		1:23.028		
4	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	1:23.159		
5	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			1:23.234		
6	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		1:23.375		
7	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		1:23.384		
8	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	1:23.558		
9	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		1:23.679		
10	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			1:23.706		
11	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			1:23.764		
12	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			1:23.833		
13	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		1:23.918		
14	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			1:23.940		
15	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	Red Bull Racing		1:24.174		
16	38	Ricardo Zonta		Toyota			1:24.270		
17	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		1:24.683		
18	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		1:26.130		
19	20	Robert Doornbos		Minardi-Cosworth	1:27.011		
20	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		1:27.344		
21	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	1:27.540		
22	39	Nicolas Kiesa		Jordan-Toyota		1:28.230		
23	40	Chanoch Nissany		Minardi-Cosworth	1:34.319		
24	15	Christian Klien		Red Bull Racing				
25	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing

Sector Times - Free Practice 1

Code:

[b]Sector 1[/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	35	Alexander Wurz		28.610 
2	9	Kimi Räikkönen		28.871 
3	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	29.032 
4	2	Rubens Barrichello	29.189 
5	3	Jenson Button		29.196 
6	1	Michael Schumacher	29.199 
7	16	Jarno Trulli		29.246 
8	7	Mark Webber		29.272 
9	12	Felipe Massa		29.276 
10	8	Nick Heidfeld		29.286 
11	4	Takuma Sato		29.314 
12	5	Fernando Alonso		29.324 
13	17	Ralf Schumacher		29.343 
14	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	29.406 
15	38	Ricardo Zonta		29.448 
16	11	Jacques Villeneuve	29.629 
17	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	29.678 
18	19	Narain Karthikeyan	29.900 
19	21	Christijan Albers	30.050 
20	18	Tiago Monteiro		30.176 
21	20	Robert Doornbos		30.245 
22	39	Nicolas Kiesa		30.511 
23	40	Chanoch Nissany		31.661

Code:

[b]Sector 2 [/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	35	Alexander Wurz		29.651 
2	2	Rubens Barrichello	30.292 
3	3	Jenson Button		30.341 
4	12	Felipe Massa		30.434 
5	1	Michael Schumacher	30.540 
6	8	Nick Heidfeld		30.556 
7	4	Takuma Sato		30.573 
8	38	Ricardo Zonta		30.648 
9	16	Jarno Trulli		30.670 
10	5	Fernando Alonso		30.759 
11	17	Ralf Schumacher		30.806 
12	7	Mark Webber		30.819 
13	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	30.824 
14	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	30.835 
15	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	30.862 
16	9	Kimi Räikkönen		30.872 
17	11	Jacques Villeneuve	31.100 
18	19	Narain Karthikeyan	31.918 
19	20	Robert Doornbos		32.129 
20	21	Christijan Albers	32.392 
21	39	Nicolas Kiesa		32.519 
22	18	Tiago Monteiro		32.754 
23	40	Chanoch Nissany		34.948 
24	15	Christian Klien		36.893 
25	14	David Coulthard		37.582

Code:

[b]Sector 3 [/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	35	Alexander Wurz		23.085 
2	3	Jenson Button		23.324 
3	9	Kimi Räikkönen		23.349 
4	2	Rubens Barrichello	23.353 
5	17	Ralf Schumacher		23.459 
6	1	Michael Schumacher	23.495 
7	8	Nick Heidfeld		23.542 
8	12	Felipe Massa		23.546 
9	5	Fernando Alonso		23.556 
10	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	23.598 
11	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	23.620 
12	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	23.641 
13	7	Mark Webber		23.653 
14	38	Ricardo Zonta		23.682 
15	4	Takuma Sato		23.792 
16	11	Jacques Villeneuve	23.835 
17	16	Jarno Trulli		23.848 
18	20	Robert Doornbos		24.213 
19	19	Narain Karthikeyan	24.312 
20	18	Tiago Monteiro		24.414 
21	21	Christijan Albers	24.645 
22	39	Nicolas Kiesa		25.071 
23	40	Chanoch Nissany		26.822 
24	14	David Coulthard		31.814 
25	15	Christian Klien		33.056

Speed Trap

Code:

[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time		Speed[/b]
1	35	Alexander Wurz		11:59:22	307.9 
2	9	Kimi Räikkönen		11:58:33	306.1 
3	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	11:58:26	305.3 
4	4	Takuma Sato		11:58:23	304.4 
5	3	Jenson Button		11:57:51	304.0 
6	5	Fernando Alonso		11:57:56	303.1 
7	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	11:58:35	301.5 
8	8	Nick Heidfeld		11:58:31	300.8 
9	16	Jarno Trulli		11:57:45	300.3 
10	7	Mark Webber		11:57:55	300.0 
11	12	Felipe Massa		11:58:22	298.7 
12	20	Robert Doornbos		11:57:32	298.1 
13	38	Ricardo Zonta		11:41:50	297.6 
14	39	Nicolas Kiesa		11:46:09	297.6 
15	19	Narain Karthikeyan	11:56:42	297.6 
16	2	Rubens Barrichello	11:58:50	297.1 
17	1	Michael Schumacher	11:57:31	296.8 
18	21	Christijan Albers	12:00:49	296.8 
19	18	Tiago Monteiro		11:43:59	296.7 
20	11	Jacques Villeneuve	11:57:44	296.7 
21	17	Ralf Schumacher		11:58:43	296.0 
22	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	11:56:43	295.3 
23	40	Chanoch Nissany		11:41:50	289.7

Flibster · 29 Jul 2005 at 19:44

Friday Free Practice 2.

Code:

[b]Pos	No	Driver			Team			Time[/b]
1	38	Ricardo Zonta		Toyota			1:20.409		
2	35	Alexander Wurz		McLaren-Mercedes	1:20.519		
3	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	1:21.281		
4	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			1:21.410		
5	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			1:21.631		
6	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	1:21.662		
7	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			1:21.914		
8	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			1:22.473		
9	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		1:22.544		
10	15	Christian Klien		Red Bull Racing		1:22.626		
11	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			1:22.652		
12	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		1:22.861		
13	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		1:22.886		
14	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	Red Bull Racing		1:22.913		
15	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		1:22.935		
16	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		1:23.558		
17	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		1:23.560		
18	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		1:23.574		
19	20	Robert Doornbos		Minardi-Cosworth	1:23.670		
20	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	1:24.093		
21	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		1:24.862		
22	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		1:25.184		
23	39	Nicolas Kiesa		Jordan-Toyota		1:25.269		
24	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari				
25	40	Chanoch Nissany		Minardi-Cosworth

Sector Times - Free Practice 2

Code:

[b]Sector 1[/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	35	Alexander Wurz		28.061 
2	38	Ricardo Zonta		28.386 
3	9	Kimi Räikkönen		28.408 
4	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	28.498 
5	5	Fernando Alonso		28.725 
6	2	Rubens Barrichello	28.764 
7	16	Jarno Trulli		28.789 
8	8	Nick Heidfeld		28.836 
9	17	Ralf Schumacher		28.854 
10	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	28.942 
11	3	Jenson Button		28.987 
12	7	Mark Webber		29.008 
13	14	David Coulthard		29.043 
14	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	29.101 
15	21	Christijan Albers	29.103 
16	15	Christian Klien		29.136 
17	20	Robert Doornbos		29.173 
18	12	Felipe Massa		29.178 
19	4	Takuma Sato		29.225 
20	11	Jacques Villeneuve	29.334 
21	18	Tiago Monteiro		29.451 
22	39	Nicolas Kiesa		29.517 
23	19	Narain Karthikeyan	29.623

Code:

[b]Sector 2 [/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	38	Ricardo Zonta		29.173 
2	35	Alexander Wurz		29.602 
3	16	Jarno Trulli		29.651 
4	17	Ralf Schumacher		29.794 
5	9	Kimi Räikkönen		29.946 
6	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	29.986 
7	2	Rubens Barrichello	30.047 
8	5	Fernando Alonso		30.112 
9	15	Christian Klien		30.297 
10	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	30.304 
11	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	30.310 
12	3	Jenson Button		30.389 
13	14	David Coulthard		30.399 
14	12	Felipe Massa		30.479 
15	7	Mark Webber		30.594 
16	11	Jacques Villeneuve	30.611 
17	8	Nick Heidfeld		30.621 
18	4	Takuma Sato		30.677 
19	20	Robert Doornbos		30.803 
20	21	Christijan Albers	30.970 
21	19	Narain Karthikeyan	31.258 
22	18	Tiago Monteiro		31.331 
23	39	Nicolas Kiesa		31.602

Code:

[b]Sector 3 [/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	38	Ricardo Zonta		22.671 
2	17	Ralf Schumacher		22.807 
3	35	Alexander Wurz		22.856 
4	9	Kimi Räikkönen		22.884 
5	16	Jarno Trulli		22.970 
6	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	23.002 
7	2	Rubens Barrichello	23.036 
8	3	Jenson Button		23.168 
9	15	Christian Klien		23.193 
10	14	David Coulthard		23.208 
11	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	23.211 
12	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	23.251 
13	7	Mark Webber		23.300 
14	8	Nick Heidfeld		23.307 
15	5	Fernando Alonso		23.456 
16	20	Robert Doornbos		23.527 
17	4	Takuma Sato		23.589 
18	11	Jacques Villeneuve	23.612 
19	18	Tiago Monteiro		23.685 
20	12	Felipe Massa		23.710 
21	21	Christijan Albers	23.873 
22	39	Nicolas Kiesa		23.980 
23	19	Narain Karthikeyan	23.994

Speed Trap

Code:

[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time		Speed[/b]
1	35	Alexander Wurz		15:01:07	307.6 
2	9	Kimi Räikkönen		14:43:06	304.2 
3	5	Fernando Alonso		14:56:05	303.9 
4	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	14:56:40	303.8 
5	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	14:32:05	303.0 
6	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	14:54:27	302.7 
7	3	Jenson Button		14:39:49	302.1 
8	2	Rubens Barrichello	14:24:53	302.0 
9	8	Nick Heidfeld		14:30:52	301.7 
10	4	Takuma Sato		14:25:08	301.2 
11	18	Tiago Monteiro		14:30:54	300.2 
12	7	Mark Webber		14:33:42	300.2 
13	39	Nicolas Kiesa		14:57:07	300.0 
14	11	Jacques Villeneuve	14:40:27	299.6 
15	19	Narain Karthikeyan	14:56:41	299.0 
16	21	Christijan Albers	14:39:37	298.6 
17	38	Ricardo Zonta		14:56:33	298.6 
18	20	Robert Doornbos		14:43:21	298.5 
19	12	Felipe Massa		14:38:46	298.3 
20	16	Jarno Trulli		14:25:50	297.6 
21	15	Christian Klien		14:44:07	297.5 
22	14	David Coulthard		14:56:43	296.8 
23	17	Ralf Schumacher		14:56:01	295.9

Flibster · 30 Jul 2005 at 09:23

Ok ladies and gentlemen...

I'm not going to be around to put up the qualifying times so I'm going to do them asap - if anyone wants to do a live commentary then go ahead - I'll put up my comments later.

Should be Ok for the race though.

Simon/~Flibster