5870 Vs "6870" ..

Mr Krugga · 7 Sep 2010 at 12:10

Greebo said:
It's called the grpahics card shuffle. If and I mean if, these 6 series are going to offer 30% performance boost and be cheaper then selling your 5850/5870 a week or two before and then upgrading can keep costs down.

I have always tried to do this and even got a decent price for my gtx260 when the 5850's came out.

Especially that we usually know both pricing and performance before the release.

Phoenixdancer · 7 Sep 2010 at 13:14

Considering im going to have a loss of say £120 per card i will sell up 2 weeks before release.

Then buy teh next 6970

Nocky24 · 7 Sep 2010 at 13:18

Beasty said:
Ah man I was going to get the Ultima Vanquish when I got paid, I suppose I should wait now?

and by the time you wait for the 6xxx series, we'll also tell you to wait for sandy bridge/bulldozer as well

Jabbs · 7 Sep 2010 at 13:31

Is it worth picking up a second hand 5970 now as i was going to do that, my current card is a backup card of a x1600.

Phoenixdancer · 7 Sep 2010 at 14:02

Jabbs said:
Is it worth picking up a second hand 5970 now as i was going to do that, my current card is a backup card of a x1600.

they are selling for around £360 - £380 second hand

Jabbs · 7 Sep 2010 at 14:05

I have a deal i am going to do with one for £360 just wondering is it worth doing it or is the 6xxx series going to leave them behind.

Scougar · 7 Sep 2010 at 14:29

If you have enough money to be getting products like a 2nd 5970, I would sell and get the next latest and greatest. But that's your decision.

Jabbs · 7 Sep 2010 at 14:40

Scougar said:
If you have enough money to be getting products like a 2nd 5970, I would sell and get the next latest and greatest. But that's your decision.

I haven't got a 5970 atm but want to pick one up second hand that was my plan i currently can't game on the card i have as its a spare i keep x1600.

In reality would the new 6870(single card) be faster than a 5970.

Nocky24 · 7 Sep 2010 at 15:36

Jabbs said:
In reality would the new 6870(single card) be faster than a 5970.

Based on previous gens, it will probably be about the same. However some people aren't expecting a massive increase. Its pure speculation at this point mate so it's hard to say.

han_solo · 7 Sep 2010 at 15:45

Probably get 'jumped' for saying this but i see very little point in getting a 5970. It doesn't reall give you playable frame rates in Metro 2033 and what other game actually requires all that horse power? and if there is then go sli or crossfire with different cards that gives better performance for a lot less money. :rolleyes:

Duff-Man · 7 Sep 2010 at 16:06

Nocky24 said:
Based on previous gens, it will probably be about the same.

Previous generation have included a shrink in the fabrication process, allowing an increase in transistor density. This is not the case this time around.

If it even gets anywhere near a 5970 then I will be utterly amazed. I'm expecting only a mild improvement. But so far, no-one knows. All we have are some supposed benchmarks showing ~30% improvement over the 5870, and at least one of those has been photoshopped.

Jabbs · 7 Sep 2010 at 16:34

han_solo said:
Probably get 'jumped' for saying this but i see very little point in getting a 5970. It doesn't reall give you playable frame rates in Metro 2033 and what other game actually requires all that horse power? and if there is then go sli or crossfire with different cards that gives better performance for a lot less money.

Not really sure what i could get for £350 that would give that performance it would beat a 480gtx for the same sort of price and beats 2x460 gtx's in sli anything beyond that would cost more to set up.

Made sense for me to get a second hand 5970 and later down the line add another if required when there prices drop but i guess one of those will last a while.

gareth170 · 7 Sep 2010 at 16:40

han_solo said:
Probably get 'jumped' for saying this but i see very little point in getting a 5970. It doesn't reall give you playable frame rates in Metro 2033 and what other game actually requires all that horse power? and if there is then go sli or crossfire with different cards that gives better performance for a lot less money.

5970 = crossfire but just on 1 card. which takes up less room.

Scougar · 7 Sep 2010 at 16:46

Are you going to play metro 2033 beyond 1 go? I would play it and forget it. I take it it's another badly ported game?

Nocky24 · 7 Sep 2010 at 16:47

Duff-Man said:
Previous generation have included a shrink in the fabrication process, allowing an increase in transistor density. This is not the case this time around.

If it even gets anywhere near a 5970 then I will be utterly amazed. I'm expecting only a mild improvement. But so far, no-one knows. All we have are some supposed benchmarks showing ~30% improvement over the 5870, and at least one of those has been photoshopped.

Ah right do you mean a die shrink? Going to be disappointed if it's not much of an improvement over an oc'd 5870 to be honest.

Razor Time · 7 Sep 2010 at 19:08

Nocky24 said:
Ah right do you mean a die shrink? Going to be disappointed if it's not much of an improvement over an oc'd 5870 to be honest.

Look at the 6000 series as a refresh of the 5000 series with some new tech added on.

hartty · 7 Sep 2010 at 19:51

billysielu said:
If I put my weener in my PC it runs faster.

WARNING to all. Do not try this i have just spent 3 hours in A&E,(i lost a lot of blood)

Gashman · 7 Sep 2010 at 19:59

how about ATI sit down and actually make some good crossfire friendly drivers, that actually give us decent scaling..? to be honest if developers took more time and care, and paid more attention to what they are doing you wouldn't need half the graphics power modern PCs have...

not gonna happen though.

Freddie1980 · 7 Sep 2010 at 21:56

Gashman said:
how about ATI sit down and actually make some good crossfire friendly drivers, that actually give us decent scaling..? to be honest if developers took more time and care, and paid more attention to what they are doing you wouldn't need half the graphics power modern PCs have... not gonna happen though.

I think the problem for ATI has been market share, developers are willing to spend more time making the game ready for SLI over Crossfire simply because there are more Nvidia cards on the market then ATI ones. That situation has changed and ATI/AMD are the market leaders so we should start to see better optimised games for Radeon video cards. And to be fair scaling on the mid range products is very good, the 5770 and 5750 scale just as the 460.

Andrew Moore · 7 Sep 2010 at 22:12

A little birdie has told me that the 1600mhz memory speed in GDDR5 that has a running speed of 6.4ghz is unfortunately not possible for a stock unit on the standards of memory available now or in the next 6months so those face screenie of "stock" cards with memory running at such speeds is near definitely all hot air. I expect a die shrink and a slight re-jig of the architecture... a bit like how the 8800GTS 512mb G92 ended up 15% faster on the clocks on an GTS250 all because of shrinks and re-thinks that came with it.

The 6870 as such will probably just be what the 4890 was to the 4870 but with a die shrink thrown in for good measure too.

Either way it should be 480 speeds or a smidge quicker out of the box for what will probably be a 10% price reduction on retail 480 too.

Andy