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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by Gregster, 8 Nov 2019.

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  1. KungFuSpaghetti

    Wise Guy

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    I'm sure if they had something good enough to compete they would have released something, but they didn't.

    Look, I hope they pull a ryzen and knock it out the park and give us some options. They seem to be heading in the right direction, but I just don't see it happening this time.
     
  2. EastCoastHandle

    Mobster

    Joined: 8 Jun 2018

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    He knew that and knew better because he had to watch the video in order to post it on the forum. But he will still try. Until he's called out for it. Which is the same method of operation as Nvidia.:p
     
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  3. humbug

    Caporegime

    Joined: 17 Mar 2012

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    Mad isn't it?

    Having said that, and this today, just now in fact. 2070 Super #5, 5700XT at #6, another one at #7 and a 2070 at #12.... yeah ok :) But where is the 2080 Super? Perhaps people aren't that daft afterall.

    [​IMG]
     
  4. Th0nt

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    Good spot. Maybe its not as crazy as we think.

    Even if a new Navi on RDNA2 is 1.5 to 2 times better than the 5700XT its gonna be around the sweet spot needed.
     
  5. Satchfanuk

    Hitman

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    Better standby then with the fire extinguishers for Ampere with the 350W power draw :D
     
  6. sideways14a

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    Its interesting about the reported power draws of both sides cards, especially nvidia - its almost as if each side knows the performance they will be up against and have tried to turn up the dial as much as poss to be right at the top of all those tables......
     
  7. bru

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    Looking at the dented reference 5700xt card, I suppose the next logical step is to smash one.
    Might be a hard sell though, you open the box and the card falls out in bits.:p:D:p
     
  8. humbug

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    Its the 60Hz 1080P cards that sell best, see RX 580, you keep an eye on those bestsellers lists the 580 is consistently #1, next its top of the mid range cards that sell best, the top of the range cards, the 2080S and 2080TI it doesn't look like they actually sell that many and when you have a limited wafer supply you want to use as much of it as you can for that higher middle section.

    The 60Hz 1080P cards can be older architectures on heavily discounted older lithography nodes, 12nm RX 580s....... those dies probably only cost a few $ from a wafer.
     
  9. humbug

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    RE^^^^
    I use _____.com, the US site, much larger more relevant market.....
     
  10. shankly1985

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    Then you have forums like this that will have you believing that the high ends GPUs are the best sellers. Hardly anyone wants to pay 2080 or Ti prices.

    The lower end and mid range will always be the deciding factor in most PC gamers price range.

    5700XT or 2070 is what high end users are buying 580 and 1060 is entry level to the PC master race.

    While I want big Navi to blow away the competition truth is ill just be happy paying a price that is a nice upgrade over my Vega64.
     
  11. humbug

    Caporegime

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    I think of 2070 - 2070S - 2080, 5700 - 5700XT as high end, 2080S - 2080TI as enthusiast. but most people don't consider an "Enthusiast end" so i just stick with tradition ranking.

    AMD could have made a 60 CU RDNA1 GPU, the 5700XT die size is 251mm2, that's tiny, GPU power is ~200 Watt's, the 2080S is ~250 Watts, a 60 CU 5700XT would have been ~300 Watts with a 375mm2 die which is still not large, and AMD have made 300 Watt GPU's before....

    Maybe they didn't because of Wafer supply constraints and as i said 2080TI level cards don't sell well.

    I do want AMD to make the best card they can with RDNA2, i think the mindshare of having a really fast card in your product range is worth a lot.
     
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  12. humbug

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  13. Satchfanuk

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    Not really a surprise considering all of the products AMD is making on 7nm right now, from the PS5 & XBsX chips, all of the current CPUs plus ramping of Zen 3, current and next gen GPUs. I also expect to see the IO die on Zen 3 to be 7nm.

    Tbh, AMD could probably have used even more capacity if it was available.

    It's no wonder Nvidia didn't get a look in and had to go crawling to Samsung :p
     
  14. humbug

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    I just realized that's actually an old link.

    Since then HiSilicon (Huawie) have been dropped by TSMC because China stuff.... that freed up even more capacity, which was promptly gobbled up by AMD and Nvidia, AMD are now TSMC's third largest customer behind Qualcomm and Apple.
     
  15. JediFragger

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    It's good that they had this knockback, it may actually make them *slightly* more humble in future. Prob not though ;) :D
     
  16. humbug

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    Nvidia did get some 7nm capacity, some of what was left after Huawie got the boot.

    But rumour is TSMC prioritized AMD over Nvidia, Nvidia thought they would get preferential treatment and were slapped down, the thing is as a Semiconductor consumer AMD are much larger than Nvidia and i think TSMC are more receptive to AMD anyway.
     
  17. JediFragger

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    Probably a little less, how shall I put this, Diva-ish than nVidia ;)
     
  18. humbug

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    I think AMD played a part in helping TSMC overtake Intel in becoming the world's largest fab plant.
     
  19. Satchfanuk

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    That's a very polite word to describe Nvidia. The word I was thinking of begins with C :p
     
  20. Jacky60

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    That is much closer than I assumed but what struck me more was the superior AMD image quality. I assume due to different brightness settings etc but the BFV sten gun receiver and middle distance buildings stood out as noticeably better on 5700XT. Hitman and many of the games just looked more blurred with the 2080S. I'd like to understand why given the received wisdom is there's no difference in image quality between AMD/Nvidia.
     
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