AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

Poneros · 10 Aug 2020 at 22:51

EastCoastHandle said:
In the meantime you will read comments saying that HZD is "not optimized", "poorly coded", "poorly executed", "missing IQ features", etc. When in fact those are marketing "trigger" words showing how loathsome they are at the missed opportunity.

Are you sure?

humbug · 10 Aug 2020 at 22:51

shankly1985 said:
While this post isn't defending that shocking release of HZD on PC one thing that you can take away from it though is just how well RDNA 1 performs, I can see that RDNA 1 and Big Navi RDNA 2 will get extra treatment from games going forward make this post! RDNA is the biggest threat to Nvidia is decades and they know it!

This?

Grim5 · 10 Aug 2020 at 22:54

HZD runs like trash and lol vega 64 being slower than a gtx1660

EastCoastHandle · 10 Aug 2020 at 22:57

Poneros said:
Are you sure?

Oh, I'm quite sure. As my conversation was implying the 5700

Besides, when has vega ever been near RDNA 1 in performance? Another strawman, sigh.

shankly1985 · 10 Aug 2020 at 23:00

humbug said:
This?

Yep
I have already seen just how much ground RDNA 1 5700XT has done in the past couple months. On release this GPU was up against 2070 then they release super because Nvidia knew they had to! 5700XT in the recent titles is now not far from 2080 lol and at 4k its even closer! Honestly, if you people stand back and look the bigger picture NAVI is big and Nvidia like I said they know it!

shankly1985 · 10 Aug 2020 at 23:03

EastCoastHandle said:
Oh, I'm quite sure. As my conversation was implying the 5700
Besides, when has vega ever been near RDNA 1 in performance? Another strawman, sigh.

It was around 15 FPS slow 64 vs 5700XT
Navi is defo the better GPU but HZD is just a joke towards VEGA its so bad its funny! I mean since when did a RX 590 come close to VEGA lol

Its not just AMD GPU either 1060 etc from Nvidia is struggling! That game is focused on the latest 2060 upwards and 5700 from AMD thats it! Anything else below you in for a bad time.

humbug · 10 Aug 2020 at 23:06

shankly1985 said:
Yep
I have already seen just how much ground RDNA 1 5700XT has done in the past couple months. On release this GPU was up against 2070 then they release super because Nvidia knew they had to! 5700XT in the recent titles is now not far from 2080 lol and at 4k its even closer! Honestly, if you people stand back and look the bigger picture NAVI is big and Nvidia like I said they know it!

The 5700 series is becoming a good GPU, AMD are always slow to get the most out of new architectures, look at the R9 290X, it started out life about 20% slower than a 780TI, it ended its life 20% faster.

Its already gone from a 2070 competitor to being a 2080 competitor.

Jarrod · 10 Aug 2020 at 23:10

Are driver issues better than they were 2-3 months ago?

humbug · 10 Aug 2020 at 23:11

Jarrod said:
Are driver issues better than they were 2-3 months ago?

Yes, much better, pretty solid for me now...

EastCoastHandle · 10 Aug 2020 at 23:21

shankly1985 said:
It was around 15 FPS slow 64 vs 5700XT
Navi is defo the better GPU but HZD is just a joke towards VEGA its so bad its funny! I mean since when did a RX 590 come close to VEGA lol

Its not just AMD GPU either 1060 etc from Nvidia is struggling! That game is focused on the latest 2060 upwards and 5700 from AMD thats it! Anything else below you in for a bad time.

Lets remember something though. This isn't your typical console port from MS. It's from Sony. And although poorly covered by Digital Foundry (something I mentioned before) pcie Bandwidth appears to be an issue with this title. And, it's possible RTG might forward a driver for Vega that could correct it.

Jarrod said:
Are driver issues better than they were 2-3 months ago?

Yes, since 20.7.1 they've improved performance (at least for the 5700 series).

five8five · 10 Aug 2020 at 23:36

humbug said:
This?

Are AMD nerfing Vega cards?

humbug · 10 Aug 2020 at 23:41

five8five said:
Are AMD nerfing Vega cards?

It does look like that, and Polaris...

Who knows, both are GCN.

EastCoastHandle · 10 Aug 2020 at 23:44

And yet the 5700xt is on par, if not better in performance then a 2070s. Yet, still better then a 2070s in Price to performance ratio.
And this is all coming from the last 3-5 newly released PC gaming titles. RTG has been hitting home runs with RNDA 1 this past few months.

Things are indeed looking well for RDNA 2.

shankly1985 · 10 Aug 2020 at 23:48

five8five said:
Are AMD nerfing Vega cards?

humbug said:
It does look like that, and Polaris...

Who knows, both are GCN.

I would say no and the reason for that is DirectX 12 and this can also be said for Vulkan. These APIs are in the hands of the devs Nvidia and AMD don't really have much control over games when it comes to them using these APIs. The issue here is this game was handled by a studio that is known for poor PC ports plus the fact Sony probably didn't give them much time and cost you then have a team working on this with a focus for latest and greatest that is why you see the 20 series and Navi running this fine everything else just has been pushed to the side.

Now time will tell if we see a performance patch to fix older GPUs but for now, this is what we have.

humbug · 10 Aug 2020 at 23:49

EastCoastHandle said:
And yet the 5700xt is on par in performance. Yet, still better then a 2070s in Price to performance ratio.
And this is all coming from the last 4-5 newly released PC gaming titles. RTG has been hitting home runs with RNDA 1 this past few months.

It starts on parr, the higher the IQ the 5700XT pulls ahead. check my screenshot with this one, right at the bottom, 86 vs 90, the 2080 at the same settings is 88.

EastCoastHandle · 10 Aug 2020 at 23:51

humbug said:
It starts on parr, the higher the IQ the 5700XT pulls ahead. check my screenshot with this one, right at the bottom, 86 vs 90, the 2080 at the same settings is 88.

Wow, good to know.

humbug · 10 Aug 2020 at 23:51

shankly1985 said:
I would say no and the reason for that is DirectX 12 and this can also be said for Vulkan. These APIs are in the hands of the devs Nvidia and AMD don't really have much control over games when it comes to them using these APIs. The issue here is this game was handled by a studio that is known for poor PC ports plus the fact Sony probably didn't give them much time and cost you then have a team working on this with a focus for latest and greatest that is why you see the 20 series and Navi running this fine everything else just has been pushed to the side.

Now time will tell if we see a performance patch to fix older GPUs but for now, this is what we have.

Its quite possible in working on getting Navi Drivers the best they can the old GCN architecture is completely neglected, its all hands on RDNA.

Grim5 · 11 Aug 2020 at 00:16

five8five said:
Are AMD nerfing Vega cards?

Seems that way, poor Vega

humbug · 11 Aug 2020 at 00:26

Grim5 said:
Seems that way, poor Vega

Oh you didn't.....

EastCoastHandle · 11 Aug 2020 at 00:35

I have to wonder if the 50% performance per watt is just a median and not a "best case" when it comes to RDNA 2.