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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by Gregster, 8 Nov 2019.

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  1. humbug

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    Depends on the heatsink.
     
  2. humbug

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    I'll save the back and forth here.

    If it's a 50 watt heatsink both CPU's will use 50 Watts.
    TDP 50 Watts at 70c, once the CPU reaches 50 Watts the heatsink will be unable to keep the CPU under 70c and it will throttle.
     
  3. bru

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    All these companies will put figures out that make them look as good as possible, sometimes even bending what the consumer would understand to make them look better.

    You have to remember that the moment you are not running at the same settings they tested at you wont get the same results, these things are normally buried in the footnotes somewhere at launch time.

    TDP is a interesting one, because both red/blue and even green team can decide to care about it or not on any given day and the fans of each will decide whether to be worried about it accordingly.

    As for the product placement and being paid for things.
    This was a big thing a year or so ago, when Techpower up used Steves image in an article about it.

    Bottom line it doesn't happen on Gamers Nexus it was also picked up by Linus and Jay, hardware unboxed and many others if I recall. Proven to be completely unfounded, then as it would be now. Apart from anything NVidia wouldn't part with the money anyway.
     
  4. humbug

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    Product placement is a thing and I can see how Nvidia wouldn't want Radeon boxes clearly visible in GeForce reviews.
    Other than that it's much easier just to do sponsorship content.
    Nothing wrong with either of those things.
     
  5. Satchfanuk

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    Deals incoming from Powercolor this weekend. Is this the start of the clear out before RDNA 2 makes an appearance :p
     
  6. EastCoastHandle

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    It would make sense. There is also suppose to be a replacement for the 5700 series.
     
  7. five8five

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  8. humbug

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  9. JediFragger

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    Yup, the masks and setup costs for a new gfx card line-up certainly isn't cheap! They'd bank on at least 2 years of sales at a guess. They'll just move it down a rung or 2 over time.
     
  10. EsaT

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    Intel does exactly same but just in lot bigger scale.
    If cooling can keep temperature under control 8 cores happily chew all the way to 200W in AVX loads.
    https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i7-9700k-9th-gen-cpu,5876-2.html

    And here you complain about AMD's going up to 100W with 8 core...
    (and 12/16 core to 140W)


    AMD locked PCIe v4 out from pre X570 boards in AGESA, so pretty certain Intel could similarly take tighter grip on power draw.

    And Intel would certainly have ways to coerce mobo makers "doing their own":
    Withholding BIOS codes for some time...
    Saying next time you'll pay more for chipset and NIC...
    Or get less of those/at later time than others... (no other supplier of chipsets)

    But Intel doesn't want to change situation because they benefit from it with their CPUs getting some extra heavy load performance.


    While your posting history in this thread is straight AMD bad bashing - Intel good shilling like from paid troll.
     
  11. FoxEye

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    We've known for ages that RDNA1 was getting a "refresh" and would be part of the new line-up.

    Sadly I can't help but suspect all the RDNA2 cards will be priced above the 5700XT. I highly doubt AMD will "refresh" the RDNA1 cards into a much lower price bracket. The manufacturing costs will be the roughly same as before, give or take, so they aren't going to drop the prices all that much.

    So if the refreshed cards are part of the new line up, that means the only place for the newer cards is higher up the product stack at greater cost.
     
  12. Th0nt

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    I would be inclined to agree there.
     
  13. michty_me

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    Interested to see what AMD come away with. I'm looking to swap out a Vega 56 fairly soon to make use of the higher refresh rate of a 1440P monitor.
     
  14. humbug

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    Me too
     
  15. Th0nt

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    Similar for me. I got a cheap 4k monitor not long back and although some older games ran well (Mass Effect: Andromeda) in my dusty library, most I would run at 2k with modest settings. Given I thought I splashed out for it at £300, I will only compartmentalise up a notch this time round so that will rule out anything like the 3080 or above.

    I am hoping a weak flavour of a big navi can punch above a 2080ti for say £500 and that would see me out for the time being.
     
  16. michty_me

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    I would be happy with that! That would suit me perfectly for my needs. I may have missed it in the thread but is there any idea on when an announcement could be made?
     
  17. Th0nt

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    I think news will surface before the months out. As for availability I think nvidia will be first, it will be can you hold off to compare against AMD releases as it may be a few weeks after possibly into november which is when the consoles will be out.
     
  18. five8five

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    I thought the new cards were going to be the 6xxx series?
     
  19. Th0nt

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    They may be but it wont eradicate the 5700 stuff for some time.
     
  20. humbug

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    Yeah I'm just thinking out loud, trying stuff out
     
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