AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

4K8KW10 · 23 Oct 2020 at 07:42

Vince said:
Of course they do. There always used to be sequencing in the models... For example and this is just "high" end going back as far as I can remember...

3850, 4850, 5850, 6850, 7850
3870, 4870, 5870, 6870, 7870

Then they changed it....

270/x, 370/x, rx470, rx570

Radeon RX 570 is a rebrand of the old Radeon RX 470 ($179) which was released more than 4 years ago back in August of 2016.

AMD doesn't keep the models - we know RX 5700 XT is a mid range card, replacing RX 480 / RX 580 but AMD thinks it's Nvidia's higher-tier competitor, hence RX 480 was launched for $229, while the terrible RX 5700 XT for as high as $399 or 75% higher price tag.

My point still stands - AMD's naming scheme is more as chaos and not any logical order or sequence.

Vince said:
Then there are the attempted "titan" like cards, designed with compute in mind and pushed to attempt to compete in fury (great 90's throwback ATI name) and two variants of vega as the high end in both 56 and 64 variants - Every top end sku in amd and even going back as far as when they were ATI (9500/pro, 9700/pro and later 9800/pro) all of them had a full die and a cut down die with the exception being Radeon 7 which in itself is a cut down mi60 die.

Edit: realised im pages back and havent caught up yet

What we saw in the 5700xt is really the start of a new sequence for navi.

Soapysage · 23 Oct 2020 at 08:35

Nablaoperator said:
it's supposed to be the engineering sample..some headroom there

He's updating the chart, he used graphics scores for the NVIDIA cards when apparently the N21XT ES is actually overall scores, makes it more difficult to compare but should make the N21XT even better. Plus that chart assumes its 80CUs, it's not, its 72, only the XTX is 80

Nablaoperator · 23 Oct 2020 at 08:44

Soapysage said:
He's updating the chart, he used graphics scores for the NVIDIA cards when apparently the N21XT ES is actually overall scores

Yup that's what I originally thought before changing my post, it should at least scale in line with rx5700 xt in tspy.. before changing my post I estimated it to be around 11% faster than 3080 and matching 3090 in DX12

Soapysage said:
Plus that chart assumes its 80CUs, it's not, its 72, only the XTX is 80

That I don't agree.. he is using Kitty's data.. in his dictionary xt is the full fat 80 cu. Let's see how it goes

Grim5 · 23 Oct 2020 at 08:45

That chart is a mess, extremely lazy

g67575 · 23 Oct 2020 at 09:15

It looks like the RTX 3070 could be bit faster overall than the RTX 2080 Ti Fe @ 1600 mhz, if these results are true:

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-3dmark-performance-leaked

compared with the 2080 ti 3dMark Firestrike Ultra results here:
https://www.3dmark.com/search?_ga=2.255623240.1346812513.1603439969-633957654.1603439969#advanced?test=fs R&cpuId=&gpuId=1209&gpuCount=1&deviceType=ALL&memoryChannels=0&country=&scoreType=overallScore&hofMode=false&showInvalidResults=false&freeParams=&minGpuCoreClock=1545&maxGpuCoreClock=1600&minGpuMemClock=&maxGpuMemClock=&minCpuClock=&maxCpuClock=

considering the low tdp and price / performance ratio, id be very surprised if the 3070s arent the most successful GPUs of the series.

Combined with greater availability too, most likely.

overclocked 2080 TIs should still come out ahead.

Dontrocktheboat · 23 Oct 2020 at 09:22

Satchfanuk said:
https://wccftech.com/amd-next-gen-epyc-radeon-instinct-powered-lumi-supercomputer-announced-2021/

This is set to make 3 of the top 5 supercomputers all AMD systems, not too shabby

well that was useful navi fact.

KentMan said:
Pic of Potentially a Big Navi Partner Board on Videocardz https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-6800xt-navi-21-engineering-board-photo-leaked

Leak for SEP of a prototype AMD board?

Defo looks like Navi same screw positioning.

this is what worries me the most about Navi. It not its perf, or the possible price or even the state of the drivers when it arrives.

Its the lack of progress in production, and it looks like it will be well late to the party.
I mean a prototype AIB boards pictures appearing on 23/10/2020 dont help.
Prototype AMD pictures, appearing in SEP do not help.

All of this should have been coming out summer time, not now.

My gut feeling is that we wont be seeing Navi, especially AIB navis well into 2021.

It looks far from being finished let alone being in full production mode.

It a test board with 5 days till the unveiling. Just lol.

Might be an old picture but i doubt it. AMD might surprise me on OCt28, and "say buy now from our store/partners".
But i doubt that.

Grim5 · 23 Oct 2020 at 09:28

g67575 said:
It looks like the RTX 3070 could be bit faster overall than the RTX 2080 Ti Fe @ 1600 mhz, if these results are true:

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-3dmark-performance-leaked

compared with the 2080 ti 3dMark Firestrike Ultra results here:
https://www.3dmark.com/search?_ga=2.255623240.1346812513.1603439969-633957654.1603439969#advanced?test=fs R&cpuId=&gpuId=1209&gpuCount=1&deviceType=ALL&memoryChannels=0&country=&scoreType=overallScore&hofMode=false&showInvalidResults=false&freeParams=&minGpuCoreClock=1545&maxGpuCoreClock=1600&minGpuMemClock=&maxGpuMemClock=&minCpuClock=&maxCpuClock=

considering the low tdp and price / performance ratio, id be very surprised if the 3070s arent the most successful GPUs of the series.

Combined with greater availability too, most likely.

overclocked 2080 TIs should still come out ahead.

my 2080ti is only air cooled and scores 15,500 in Timespy averaging 2050mhz and peaking at 2100mhz.

That makes it 10% higher than the stock 3070. Given that Ampere doesn't overclock well, I agree my 2080ti will remain the faster card

g67575 · 23 Oct 2020 at 09:33

its a nice score for the rtx 3070, I was expecting it to be a bit lower than the 2080 ti FE.

Howling · 23 Oct 2020 at 09:37

Nablaoperator said:
it's supposed to be the engineering sample..some headroom there

If that's accurate... I may be changing my 3080 next month ;o lower dxr performance looks worth that trade up in raster tbh

KentMan · 23 Oct 2020 at 09:40

Howling said:
If that's accurate... I may be changing my 3080 next month ;o lower dxr performance looks worth that trade up in raster tbh

If that is anywhere near true you would have to applaud AMDs first attempt at Ray Tracing as well

g67575 · 23 Oct 2020 at 09:45

Nablaoperator said:
it's supposed to be the engineering sample..some headroom there

These results look like a fabrication. Why would a Navi 21 GPU score higher than the 3080 and 3090 in two benchmark results, but lower than both in the other 2 results?

Dontrocktheboat · 23 Oct 2020 at 09:47

g67575 said:
These results look like a fabrication. Why would a Navi 21 GPU score higher than the 3080 and 3090 in one benchmark result, but lower than both in the other 3 results?

guesstimates?
is it because of RT?

Someone made that chart basically. Guessed the performance.

with rt big navi 80CU will be slower than 3080 and without RT will be quicker than 3090....

Sounds a bit LOB

chroniclard · 23 Oct 2020 at 09:47

Satchfanuk said:
https://wccftech.com/amd-next-gen-epyc-radeon-instinct-powered-lumi-supercomputer-announced-2021/

This is set to make 3 of the top 5 supercomputers all AMD systems, not too shabby

Lumi is planned to become fully operational by August 4th 2021, human decisions are removed from strategic defence. Lumi begins to learn at a geometric rate. Lumi becomes self aware at 2:14 AM, Eastern time, August 29th.

Nablaoperator · 23 Oct 2020 at 09:47

KentMan said:
If that is anywhere near true you would have to applaud AMDs first attempt at Ray Tracing as well

But I still believe AMD could have gone bigger mocking Nvidia into submission.. sometimes I feel that neither is interested in GPU biz, just counting days till they find a more lucrative avenue to apply all that GPU horsepower

4K8KW10 · 23 Oct 2020 at 09:49

g67575 said:
These results look like a fabrication. Why would a Navi 21 GPU score higher than the 3080 and 3090 in two benchmark results, but lower than both in the other 2 results?

It's like asking why some games lean towards Radeon optimisation, while others have GeForce optimisations and perform better than Radeon in them.

chroniclard said:
Lumi is planned to become fully operational by August 4th 2021, human decisions are removed from strategic defence. Lumi begins to learn at a geometric rate. Lumi becomes self aware at 2:14 AM, Eastern time, August 29th.

Impossible. :eek:

If true - this was all, folks

We are done..

Dontrocktheboat · 23 Oct 2020 at 09:50

chroniclard said:
Lumi is planned to become fully operational by August 4th 2021, human decisions are removed from strategic defence. Lumi begins to learn at a geometric rate. Lumi becomes self aware at 2:14 AM, Eastern time, August 29th.

Lumi blackscreens at 2:17hrs AM due to bad drivers.

Humanity is saved.

chroniclard · 23 Oct 2020 at 09:51

Dontrocktheboat said:
Lumi blackscreens at 2:17hrs AM due to bad drivers.

Humanity is saved.

pugheaven · 23 Oct 2020 at 09:51

Dontrocktheboat said:
Lumi blackscreens at 2:17hrs AM due to bad drivers.

Humanity is saved.

humbug · 23 Oct 2020 at 09:58

Dontrocktheboat said:
Lumi blackscreens at 2:17hrs AM due to bad drivers.

Humanity is saved.

humbug · 23 Oct 2020 at 10:09

Soapysage said:
He's updating the chart, he used graphics scores for the NVIDIA cards when apparently the N21XT ES is actually overall scores, makes it more difficult to compare but should make the N21XT even better. Plus that chart assumes its 80CUs, it's not, its 72, only the XTX is 80

This happens quite often, some reviewers still use the overall score for grahics reviews.

I'll be intrested to see how fast the Grahics Card is.