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Are Muslims allowed student loans?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by lunar, 20 Aug 2018.

  1. Sutters

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    Christians aren't supposed to lend to earn interest either.

    Exodus 22:24 (25)—If thou lend money to any of My people, even to the poor with thee, thou shalt not be to him as a creditor; neither shall ye lay upon him interest.
     
  2. Diddums

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    Me neither, luckily we have Haby up there kepping us informed

    If God was real Shirley he could've just given her an education? Or the money?
     
  3. Tefal

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    That would be jews.

    Christians aren't moses's peoples and didn t exist when that was written as Christ hadn't been born yet
     
  4. Sutters

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    ahh thanks, yes i should of thought of that.

    I thought jews were the only ones allowed to lend money though?
     
  5. Tefal

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    To non jews.


    Notice its "to my people" not to everyone else :p
     
  6. Tuppy_Glossop

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    I understand GD to be the world's biggest hair-splitting competition:

    You live in more than one millenium?

    :D
     
  7. Jumper118

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    Uni is overrated anyway. None of the billionaires ever bothered going, they donate as much as possible to them to keep people beneath them ;)
     
  8. Tefal

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    You're younger than 18? :p
     
  9. Angilion

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    Old Testament. Christians get to pick and choose from that part, apparently on whatever basis they like. Besides, it just says that Jews aren't allowed to charge other Jews interest. It doesn't say that people can't take out loans with interest, nor that it's forbidden to loan with interest to people who aren't Jews. Always assuming that the translation is accurate, which it might or might not be. People inserted vowels and punctuation into text with neither. Can anyone really be sure they got every vowel and every piece of punctuation correct? That's before the problems inherent with translating between different languages and different times and different cultures.

    But it's all moot for Christians anyway, as they pick and choose from the OT. With cheeseburgers being the example that comes to my mind. The OT forbids mixing meat and dairy, but I've never met a Christian who cares about that and I can't recall meeting one who even knows that rule is in their bible. Along with a multitude of others they ignore and probably aren't even aware of.

    I've even known of a Christian who decided that having sex with people other than their partner was OK because they weren't married so it wasn't adultery. If Woolworth did as much pick 'n' mix as most theists, it would still be in business.
     
  10. Rroff

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    A lot of translations also word this as to lending to the poor as in not gaining from charitable acts, etc.
     
  11. ilc72

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    This is so true in this day and age, even the big four accounting firms offer apprenticeships. Most of them bothered going, it’s just few of them actually finished including Steve Jobs, whilst a flawed character, was a genius and probably one of the greatest pioneers in our history and shows us that you only learn to be a robot in todays Universities which leave young people ill equipped for the modern world.

    His commencement speech at Stanford remains one of the greatest lessons for young people growing up in an uncertain world. Here is a link if you have 15 minutes to spare:

    https://www.ted.com/talks/steve_jobs_how_to_live_before_you_die
     
  12. Tefal

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    It's not picking and choosing pretty much all of the ot laws like Leviticus are explicitly referring to Jews.

    The funny thing is when Christians think they apply to them.

    There's only one commandment ever given by Christ

    "Love one another as i have loved you"


    Which means to have a divine love for each other not the previous human love.

    Ie forgiveness turning the other cheek and not judging each other.

    Something Christians near universally fail at.
     
  13. lunar

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    What is the ratio of a billionaire to a non-billionaire.
     
  14. Rroff

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    That said as I've posted before something that is intrinsically abhorrent to God doesn't suddenly become not so just because Jesus didn't command it. Also I see none of the love and light talked about by Jesus in any of God's work - when you boil it down everything is a means to an end and not for man's benefit.
     
  15. ozaudio

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    after reading this thread im glad I don't let fairy tales decide what I can wear / eat / live / ect.

    ** not a dig at any one person , but until I see any proof ill continue to refer to religion as a fairly tale regardless of which religion it is. **
     
  16. Orionaut

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    Christians were not, That is why Jews became the money lenders within the Christian world (And why they were hated for it)

    I am not sure when When this particular rule was relaxed, but by that time the Jewish banking industry was well established.

    Inter-faith loans across all three Abrahamic religions is probably OK really. I would have thought that, Unless they are interpreting the rules particularly strictly (As some might) A Muslim should have no ethical issues with either borrowing from, or lending too, with interest, a non-Muslim
     
  17. willhub

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    Surely a bit of interest won't be a sin for the sake of education to earn a better living ??
     
  18. inferno

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    I live in an Islamic country, there are loans everywhere, they just call interest something else.
     
  19. Johno please?

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    So genius he thought "alternative therapy" for cancer was a good idea.
     
  20. lunar

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    I can take a sip of whisky or drink a bottle. It is the same level of sin... So I might as well have the bottle!